| <LoganCapaldo> Ok so the last time I used Debian the config for X11 was all in one place. Where do I go to enable SHM for X? | |
| <crimsun> it's still the same place (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) | |
| <LoganCapaldo> crimsum, thank you | |
| <LoganCapaldo> I got confused by the cf/ directory | |
| <LoganCapaldo> (and I'm used to seeing X11Config | |
| <LoganCapaldo> err XF86Config rather | |
| <josesito> someone knows a good ftp or file sharing server EASY TO USE??? | |
| <crimsun> that's a question better posed to #ubuntu | |
| <josesito> ok thanks crimsun | |
| <BlueEagle> josesito: proftpd isn't really that hard. | |
| <crimsun> (chances are if he didn't know to ask in #ubuntu that proftpd isn't what he's looking for ;) | |
| <josesito> BlueEagle, i've tried it, but i just don't want to spend much time reading the man pages | |
| <crimsun> s#that#then# | |
| <BlueEagle> crimsun: Not neccessarily a valid point but it's something that might be the case. | |
| <BlueEagle> josesito: I see. Well how, what and to whom do you intend to share files with? | |
| <BlueEagle> -with | |
| <josesito> friends | |
| <josesito> i just want a folder accesabe to anyone i want | |
| <josesito> whithout any passwords or logins | |
| <josesito> something like kde's kpf | |
| <BlueEagle> josesito: I see. Well that really does sound like a job best served by a ftp server. However I would advise you to have a password or run it on a non-standard port. It will help limit any exploits in the server. | |
| <BlueEagle> josesito: sorry, I am not familiar with kpf. | |
| <josesito> it seems no one knows it..... ^_^ | |
| <josesito> thanks anyway | |
| <josesito> brb | |
| *** leo_ is now known as Stickittotheman | |
| <Stickittotheman> ahem | |
| <Stickittotheman> would someone mind explaining to me the fixes of the 26% steam error in winetools? | |
| <Stickittotheman> oh ma gursh its working!!@222! | |
| <Stickittotheman> nevermind | |
| <Stickittotheman> well 10236th time's a charm... | |
| <Stickittotheman> oh man theres no text | |
| <Stickittotheman> hit and miss i guess | |
| <Necrosan_> Hey | |
| <Necrosan_> If I install the ubuntu sparc server thing | |
| <Necrosan_> what do i need to do to get xubuntu running | |
| <Necrosan_> just like a regular xubuntu install | |
| <Necrosan_> ? | |
| <chris86wm> hey guys | |
| <Necrosan_> tell me pricks | |
| <chris86wm> huh? | |
| <Necrosan_> not you | |
| <snowman> ok, this is getting frustrating. from the live-cd boot, or from a kubuntu install, this NIC works. | |
| <snowman> from xubuntu. nada. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> If it's not to late, you could use the kubuntu disk to install the base system and install 'xubuntu-desktop' through apt. | |
| <snowman> referring to someone else's question? | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Nope, yours. | |
| <snowman> oh, n/m. I see. | |
| <snowman> no offense meant, but it's not xubuntu I'm dead set on. it's a small(ish) lightweight distro to install on an older k6-2 laptop. | |
| <snowman> xubuntu runs well on this one. as long as I don't need, or try to use, the LAN. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Fair enough. There are a lot of decent lightweight distros out there. | |
| <snowman> yup. but I run ubuntu on my other linux boxen, and figured this might be a decent one for the purpose. | |
| <snowman> might you be able to offer a suggestion? | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> My first one is the simplest, really. Install the base system without any graphical shell or applications from the Kubuntu disk, since it works, and use apt to install the Xubuntu desktop. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> You could manually configure your NIC, but that can be more complicated. | |
| <snowman> that's where I'm sitting now. I've gotten the module installed so that it loads on boot. | |
| <snowman> but I can't seem to get the machine to bring up, or even admit it has an eth0 | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's really weird. There's no entry for it in 'lspci'? | |
| <snowman> pcmcia card. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Okay, pccardctl instead of lspci. | |
| <snowman> one moment. | |
| <snowman> nope | |
| <snowman> says "no card". | |
| <snowman> ok, so if I eject it, then re-seat it, I get a "5.0V 16-bit PC Card" listed as socket 0 | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's a bit better - is it usable? | |
| <snowman> that's the only change. | |
| <snowman> no link light, no ifup. | |
| <snowman> the card was seated fine. booting to a knoppix disc worked and could surf the net. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does running 'pccardctl insert', now that it detects the existence of the card, change anything? | |
| <snowman> nope | |
| <snowman> still getting SIOCSIFADDR: No such device | |
| <odat> hi everyone | |
| <odat> hi everyone | |
| <rellim> hello world | |
| *** mrazster-zZz is now known as mrazster | |
| <mrazster> *yaaaaaawn* | |
| <mrazster> mornin every1 | |
| <rellim> hello mrazster | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> yo | |
| <mrazster> how r u fellas doing ..? | |
| <rellim> not bad, just about to get to bed because i have to be up in 5 hours for work ... just not in the mood to go to bed | |
| *** b_52Free_ is now known as b_52Free | |
| <mrazster> very good.. | |
| <mrazster> got a little question for ya guys.. | |
| <mrazster> any1 running or have been running composit manager in xfce | |
| <mrazster> ? | |
| <rellim> composit manager? | |
| <mrazster> got it running perfectly....however..thers one little thing. Is there a way to increas the "shadow effect"... | |
| <mrazster> compositor | |
| <mrazster> yo know..??..trasparency, sdrop shadows e.t.c | |
| <rellim> never heard of it | |
| <mrazster> ???...OK....xcompmgr ....ever heard of that..?? | |
| <rellim> negative | |
| <mrazster> ok nvermind then... ;=) | |
| <rellim> i've never been a big eye candy type ... i just code | |
| <mrazster> ok..I se | |
| <mrazster> then mabye you can help me with this one then.. | |
| <rellim> shoot | |
| <mrazster> when ever I want to logut and back in or if iI want reboot the computer....it automaticly saves my last "session"...even thou I have deselected it inte the tickbox | |
| <mrazster> it bugs the crap out of me... | |
| <rellim> oh wow .... that's strange, i've never had it not take to the config tool options | |
| <rellim> lemme look something up | |
| <mrazster> sure..np | |
| <mrazster> even thou I close all apps I hvae running before I reboot....thoose apps autostart when I get back in X | |
| <mrazster> and smoe of the apps sarts like 3 times.....when I look in "task manager" I can see 3 gaim , 2 conky , 2 terminals e.t.c | |
| <rellim> ohhh ok | |
| <rellim> go to Settings->Autostarted Applications and see if there is anything in there | |
| <mrazster> well yeah..there are...but only the ones I have put there.....thats 3 adesklets, chekgmail and conky...first 2 ones are fine...but conkly starts twice sometimes.. | |
| <mrazster> I coulkd remove conky from there...but I shouldn't have to...it shouldn't be like that | |
| <rellim> yeah, i don't really know ... i've shut down and forgot to close apps and when i reboot they aren't there because i don't save session | |
| <mrazster> I usually don't either.....but I have done it a couple of times...to try something out....and since the last time...it saves the session always.. | |
| <rellim> sorry i wasn't of any help ... if i find anything, i will let you know later ... but right now i need sleep | |
| *** mrazster is now known as mrazster-breakfa | |
| <TheSheep> mrazster-breakfa: kill them and choose to save session when logging out | |
| <Necrosan_> Does xubuntu have a decent file manager? | |
| <TheSheep> Necrosan_: I personally think Thunar is pretty decent | |
| <TheSheep> Necrosan_: altrought it doesn't have network browsing nor recycle bin | |
| <TheSheep> yet | |
| <Necrosan_> How well do you think gnome will run on Sparc64? | |
| <Necrosan_> dual 360mhz procs & 1gig of ram | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> It should be fairly snappy. That's way more than enough ram, and with two CPUs the interface shouldn't lag because of a single heavy process. | |
| <Necrosan_> ok, good | |
| <Necrosan_> its running solaris 10 right now | |
| <mrazster-breakfa> TheSheep, : tried that...but it still starts them...really weird... | |
| <TheSheep> mrazster-breakfa: you can try to log out, log in in console (alt+f1), delete your .cache/sessions directory, then go back to the graophical interface (alt+f7) | |
| *** mrazster-breakfa is now known as mrazster | |
| <mrazster> TheSheep, : gonna try that...thnx alot | |
| <mrazster> TheSheep, : thnx buddy...worked perfect | |
| <TheSheep> :) | |
| <TheSheep> mrazster: be careful with the 'save session' checkbox | |
| <mrazster> hehe...I'll try | |
| <Harti> hello | |
| <Harti> the xubuntu-link in the Announcement is wrong | |
| <Harti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/ | |
| <Harti> it must be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06/release.1/ | |
| <Harti> here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=233444 | |
| <seshomaru> hello | |
| <seshomaru> i just installed xubuntu on an old machine, can anyone tell me how do i make a desktop shortcut ? | |
| <seshomaru> i want a desktop short cut to /home/user | |
| <seshomaru> and to gedit | |
| <seshomaru> and to abiword | |
| <TheSheep> seshomaru: open the Desktop directory in your home | |
| <TheSheep> seshomaru: and drag-n-drop directories with the right mouse button there | |
| <TheSheep> seshomaru: then from the menu choose 'link here' | |
| <TheSheep> now, the application link is harder | |
| <TheSheep> best, copy the relevant links from /usr/share/applications/ | |
| <seshomaru> TheSheep, how do i create a link to my home directory on the desktop? | |
| <TheSheep> seshomaru: open two thunar windows | |
| <seshomaru> ok.. | |
| <TheSheep> seshomaru: in one of them, enter the Desktop directory | |
| <seshomaru> ok.... | |
| <TheSheep> in the other, select 'go->open parent' from the menu | |
| <TheSheep> now, drag the home directory you see with your right mouse button to the other window | |
| <TheSheep> when you drop it, a menu will appear | |
| <TheSheep> select 'link here' from that menu | |
| <seshomaru> The sheep , i seem to have a problem with the desktop display | |
| <seshomaru> I created the file but it still doesnt show | |
| <seshomaru> it shows in thunar | |
| <seshomaru> the desktop color is very strange | |
| <TheSheep> settings->desktop settings | |
| <seshomaru> and i dont get a menu when i rightclick on the desktop | |
| <TheSheep> ok, alt+f2, type xfce4-settings-show | |
| <TheSheep> sorry | |
| <TheSheep> xfce-settings-show | |
| <TheSheep> select desktop settings | |
| <seshomaru> alt f2 -no response | |
| <TheSheep> and check the 'Allow xfce to manage desktop' checkbox | |
| <seshomaru> i have xfce menu in the top pannel | |
| <TheSheep> seshomaru: do you have a terminal window open? | |
| <seshomaru> i can open one,,, | |
| <TheSheep> ah, ok, then run the desktop settings from the menu :) | |
| <seshomaru> it seems that nothing works suddenly | |
| <seshomaru> the terminal doesnt start as well | |
| <TheSheep> are you sure you use the right mouse button? | |
| <seshomaru> i think i messed things up when i tried to install a new theme | |
| <TheSheep> and selectod to link, not to copy? | |
| <_Inc_> Anyone know of some trick to make xubuntu's xfce4 work with non-rectangular X displays? (wmaker/gnome works fine; this is a xfce4 problem) | |
| <seshomaru> yes , i selected 'link here' | |
| <TheSheep> _Inc_: personally I never ever even saw a rectangular X display, what's that? | |
| <seshomaru> now nothing is working | |
| <TheSheep> weird | |
| <seshomaru> i will try to reboot | |
| <TheSheep> seshomaru: better try alt+ctrl+backspace | |
| <_Inc_> dualscreen, laptop display is widescreen, the external screen is "letterbox" | |
| <seshomaru> ok - should i 'startx'? | |
| <_Inc_> TheSheep: X display is 1280x1050 + 1280x1024 | |
| <_Inc_> TheSheep: (or 1440x1050 or 1680x1050 if i feel like hurting my eyes) | |
| <TheSheep> seshomaru: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start | |
| <seshomaru> i started x and now its eems fine... | |
| <seshomaru> i have my home directory on the desktop... | |
| <TheSheep> great | |
| <TheSheep> now, to make the application links, just copy them from /usr/share/applications/ | |
| <seshomaru> erm...copy to where? | |
| <seshomaru> the desktop on thunar? | |
| <TheSheep> seshomaru: to the Desktop directory in your home | |
| <TheSheep> yes | |
| <seshomaru> oh - found it | |
| <seshomaru> great | |
| <seshomaru> one small problem - | |
| <seshomaru> i want a shortcut for Tuxpaint which i just downloaded but cant seem to find it in ~/applications | |
| <seshomaru> ok -gotta go | |
| <seshomaru> thanks for help///// | |
| <seshomaru> bye bye | |
| <_Inc_> \q | |
| <TheSheep> wrong slash | |
| <kal_> is it possible to get tango icon theme used in xubuntu ? | |
| <Blinker> whats the shortcut key to enter terminal mode? i'm on a fresh install of xubuntu and it doesn't seem to like graphics yet, after the logo loading screen | |
| <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+f1 | |
| <ph00> ctrl-alt-F[1-6] | |
| <Blinker> k, thanks | |
| <Blinker> and how would I go about editing xorg in terminal? | |
| <TheSheep> you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? | |
| <Blinker> yes | |
| <TheSheep> sudo name-of-your-favorite-text-editor /etc/X11/xorg.conf | |
| <Blinker> only one I know so far is gedit - does that work in terminal? | |
| <ph00> hehe, it doesn't | |
| <ph00> use ee, or vi, or pico | |
| <Blinker> k | |
| <ph00> I'm working on setting up my sound card | |
| <Blinker> i'm working on waking up slumbering dinosaurs =p | |
| <Blinker> first project is an old 400MHz gateway | |
| <Blinker> ph00: happen to be familiar with monitor options? | |
| <ph00> like what? | |
| <Blinker> i'm trying to figure out what Option "DPMS" does | |
| <ph00> dunno | |
| <ph00> desktop power management scheme? | |
| <ph00> just a guess | |
| <Blinker> sounds like a good on | |
| <Blinker> e | |
| <Blinker> it does have that built in. | |
| <Blinker> ok, so the next two are HorizSync and VertRefresh. those are the freq operation ranges, right? | |
| <ph00> ya | |
| <Blinker> if so then I definitely know the problem and how to fix | |
| <Blinker> k, good times | |
| <Blinker> thx | |
| <Blinker> and one last question for now - how to switch to superuser in terminal? | |
| <ph00> I beat you, I'm working on a HP 333 Mhz, that's even crappier! | |
| <Blinker> hehe, thats a win you can have | |
| <sensei> You don't you use sudo in *ubuntu | |
| <ph00> you're not supposed to | |
| <ph00> you only use sudo in ubuntu | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: ? | |
| <sensei> TheSheep: ? | |
| <TheSheep> why don't you use sudo? | |
| <ph00> unless you want to do "sudo passwd root", then you can do "su" | |
| <rellim> hello world | |
| <Blinker> 0 | |
| <ph00> hello | |
| <rellim> how goes it? | |
| <ph00> normally just use sudo | |
| <sensei> TheSheep: I do.. forgot a comma perhaps :) I meant it as "You don't switch to superuser, you use sudo in *ubuntu" | |
| <Blinker> sorry, couldn't resist the urge to "return 0" | |
| <Blinker> =p | |
| <ph00> no, that only executes the following command as root | |
| <TheSheep> hehe, parse error | |
| <ph00> "sudo <some command>" | |
| <ph00> it doesn't switch users | |
| <Blinker> yeah, no biggie on the root. as luck would have it, good ol' 3-finger salute does what i was trying to | |
| <ph00> bbiab, time for a smoke | |
| <Blinker> ^O WriteOut == save & exit, right? | |
| <Blinker> or at least save | |
| <rellim> Blinker: three finger salute? ... i've only ever heard that term about windows | |
| <Blinker> yeah well still breaking habits here | |
| <rellim> no worries, i was just wondering what exactly you were referring to | |
| <Blinker> only been using linux about a week total, heh | |
| <rellim> oh, ok | |
| <rellim> well, welcome to our world | |
| <Blinker> glad to be here | |
| <Blinker> installed ubuntu as a secondary turning primary on my lappy, and now i'm moving all the old machines over to xubuntu | |
| <rellim> (sadly i am on windows right now because i am at work) but i have been on linux for personal use for 6 years now :) | |
| <rellim> Blinker: awesome! | |
| <Blinker> the latter of which I can already tell is going to be a headache | |
| <Blinker> but a good way to learn | |
| <rellim> Blinker: actually after enough use, i got to a point that i just enjoyed how xfce works so i use xubuntu on any machine by choice, my desktop is an amd64 3200+ w/ 1gb of ram and it runs xubuntu out of personal preference :) | |
| <TheSheep> yup, it's better to use the same desktop everywhere | |
| <Blinker> is the only difference between x/ubuntu the gui? | |
| <rellim> i learned early on with an oooollllldd version of red hat and i completely overwrote my windows partition so i was forced to learn | |
| <rellim> Blinker: that and the default installed applications, but yes .... basically the only difference | |
| <TheSheep> Blinker: no, xubuntu doesn't use all the heavy gnome apps | |
| <TheSheep> Blinker: it either has lighter replacements, or none at all :) | |
| <Blinker> gotcha | |
| <Blinker> but it still does media and all that? | |
| <TheSheep> Blinker: yes, altrough the default media player isn't very good | |
| <Blinker> i may be setting up one of these as a radio station | |
| <TheSheep> Blinker: imho | |
| <rellim> brb | |
| <TheSheep> Blinker: you *can* install any application from the unbuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu of course | |
| <rellim> yeah .... the default media player needs some work, but if you apt-get install something else, everything is great | |
| <TheSheep> Blinker: xubuntu is just the name of a starting configuration, you can add things to it later | |
| <Blinker> gotcha | |
| <TheSheep> personally I can recommend mpd + gmpc for music | |
| <TheSheep> or mpd + pygmy | |
| <rellim> oh wow, osnews.com says there is a 6.06.1 maintenance release that came out today .... guess i will have updates when i get home from work | |
| <Gloubiboulga> rellim, not really | |
| <Blinker> ok, well i guess what i thought was the problem with this monitor isnt. it shows the xubuntu logo fine during boot, but when it goes gui it get garble (refresh rates out of sync) | |
| <Gloubiboulga> If you've enabled dapper-updates, your system is up to date | |
| <rellim> Gloubiboulga: enabled dapper-updates? .... i just check periodically on my own with apt-get update && upgrade | |
| <TheSheep> I noticed /var/log/unattended-upgrades/, so I'd think there is way to setup the wrokstations to update themselves without anyone logging in to them? | |
| <Gloubiboulga> rellim, there's a dapper-updates repository, with updated packages :) | |
| <rellim> oh, rgr | |
| <rellim> then i probably have it | |
| <TheSheep> rellim: it dillutes all the fun, doesn't it? :) | |
| <rellim> yeah, kinda does .... | |
| <Blinker> any idea how i might try fixing my display? | |
| <TheSheep> Blinker: what's broken? | |
| <Blinker> it shows the xubuntu logo fine during boot, but when it goes gui it get garble (refresh rates out of sync) | |
| <TheSheep> Blinker: maybe you have the refresh rates in xorg.conf set too high for your monitor? | |
| <Blinker> i adjusted the individual refresh rates in xorg.conf under monitor to reflect the real ranges | |
| <TheSheep> ah | |
| <rellim> oh, that's not too hard .... you can do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" or edit the xorg.conf file yourself | |
| <Blinker> since my monitor was so kind to tell me what the current freqs were, and what operation ranges were during the garble | |
| <Blinker> anything that needs an internet connection it out of the Q for now as well, btw | |
| <Blinker> is* | |
| <rellim> damn .... brb | |
| <Blinker> what i found interesting is that it still locked my vertical refresh rate in at ~47 even after changing it to 50-120 in xorg.conf and rebooting | |
| <Blinker> is there a list of supported video cards for xubuntu anywheres? or does someone otherwise know if the 3dfx voodoo banshee is supported? | |
| <Blinker> it was a popular card, so I don't see why it wouldn't be, but ya never know... | |
| <rellim> ok, all better | |
| <Blinker> wb | |
| <Blinker> rellim: are you familiar with fixing these kinds of display issues at all? | |
| <rellim> thankies | |
| <rellim> Blinker: yeah, had problems with them in the past ... its a CRT right? | |
| <Blinker> yeah | |
| <Blinker> gateway EV500 | |
| <rellim> k, just a moment | |
| <Blinker> np | |
| <Blinker> gonna get a <beverage>, brb | |
| <rellim> rgr | |
| <Blinker> k, back. if the additional info helps any (since you missed it while away) its a 3dfx voodo banshee vid card | |
| <rellim> naw, you will probably be running the vesa X driver, so the card _shouldn't_ matter ... but we will see | |
| <rellim> i am just trying to find official specs on it about the refresh rates of the monitor | |
| <Blinker> i don't think it would, iah. it was a pretty popular card in its day and it would seem silly to not support it | |
| <Blinker> and does handle opengl | |
| <rellim> awesome, got it | |
| <rellim> oh yeah, linux supports ALOT of stuff and i know that card is | |
| <Blinker> oh | |
| <rellim> ok ... you are running xubuntu on that box right? | |
| <Blinker> yeah | |
| <rellim> but you can't get a desktop that doesn't freak out?\ | |
| <Blinker> fresh install other than having changed the sync rates for the monitor | |
| <Blinker> thats correct | |
| <rellim> ok, is it booted? | |
| <Blinker> yep | |
| <rellim> ctrl+alt+f1 will take you to a command line, go ahead and login | |
| <Blinker> already chillin in /X11 | |
| <rellim> oh ... can you still navigate it in X? | |
| <Blinker> x? | |
| <rellim> X is short for X11 ;) | |
| <Blinker> not sure what you mean. i'm already in terminal mode, logged in, and was looking at xorg.conf | |
| <rellim> ohhh | |
| <rellim> ok | |
| <rellim> what command line text editor are you comfortable with? | |
| <Blinker> none, but i've used nano and pico so far | |
| <Blinker> both seem fine to me | |
| <rellim> ok, awesome | |
| <rellim> "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" | |
| <Blinker> i used to be a power dos user, so i'm not easilly daunted | |
| <Blinker> heh | |
| <rellim> (you have to sudo so it lets you re-write the config) | |
| <Blinker> its just a matter of learning the linux ver | |
| <Blinker> k, next? | |
| <rellim> yeah, you will find that bash (the linux command line shell) is much more useful and powerful than dos ever was or will ever be | |
| <Blinker> already knew that, and have been looking forward to harnessing that power for some time now | |
| <Blinker> hehe | |
| <rellim> :D | |
| <rellim> awesome | |
| <rellim> you my friend, have the right idea | |
| <Blinker> yeah, I was just slow about getting off my ass | |
| <rellim> no worries ... all in due time | |
| <Blinker> but hey, now i'm hear, and waiting for the next step | |
| <Blinker> here* | |
| <rellim> ok | |
| <Blinker> its 4 hrs past my bedtime =p | |
| <sensei> Rebel | |
| <Blinker> pff | |
| <sensei> :) | |
| <Blinker> when you work nights, there is no am or pm, just sleep and wake | |
| <rellim> yeah, i can imagine | |
| <Blinker> so ok | |
| <rellim> alright, i am on a windows box at work ... so i am going to do this from memory, so there may or may not be a margin of error | |
| <sensei> I've worked nights as a guard when I was at uni.. Slept most of the nights anyways :) | |
| <Blinker> i'll keet ya informed rellim | |
| <Blinker> keep, too | |
| <rellim> awesome | |
| <Blinker> where am i goin in .conf? | |
| <rellim> Blinker: ok, there should be a section "Monitor" and in there it should have a "HorizSync" field and a "VertRefresh" field ... | |
| <Blinker> I already did that | |
| <rellim> right, but what are they set to? | |
| <Blinker> 30-70 and 50-120 | |
| <rellim> horizontal should be .... oh, nvm | |
| <sensei> 31.5 - 50.0 and 40-90 are really common values | |
| <rellim> try bringing down the horizontal to 30-69 ... shouldn't matter, but the specs of the monitor only goes to 69 | |
| <Blinker> as the screen was freaking out, the monitor supplied the needed info | |
| <rellim> oh ok | |
| <Blinker> those are the listed ranges | |
| <rellim> did you restart the X server with the new config file? | |
| <Blinker> does that effectively happen on reboot? | |
| <rellim> yes | |
| <Blinker> then yeah | |
| <rellim> hrmm... ok | |
| <seshomaru> hello, I want to make a desktop shortcut to 'tuxpaint' on xubuntu, can anyone helpme? | |
| <Blinker> one sec, I'll type out the section | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, 'cp /usr/share/applications/tuxpaint.desktop ~/Desktop' in a terminal | |
| <rellim> Blinker:in the command line do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and follow along that tool and then do ctrl+alt+f7 and then ctrl+alt+backspace and see what happend | |
| <rellim> happens* | |
| <Blinker> Section "Monitor"; Identifier "Generic Monitor"; Option"DPMS" HorizSync 30-70; VertRefresh 50-120; EndSection | |
| <Blinker> k, trying now | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, I'm worng | |
| <Gloubiboulga> wrong* | |
| <rellim> Blinker: yeah, that looks valid .... just run the tool ... maybe there is something i missed | |
| <rellim> i dunno :/ | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, 'cp /usr/share/applnk/Graphics/tuxpaint.desktop~/Desktop' | |
| <seshomaru> ok | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, 'cp /usr/share/applnk/Graphics/tuxpaint.desktop ~/Desktop' | |
| <rellim> lol | |
| <rellim> syntax can be annoying sometimes | |
| <Gloubiboulga> true :) | |
| <sensei> Don't know if you put them there for formatting or w/e.. but I've never seen ; after the values | |
| <Blinker> shall I autodetect? | |
| <sensei> Yes | |
| <rellim> Blinker: yea | |
| <Blinker> ooh. | |
| <rellim> ? | |
| <Blinker> x server driver = voodoo? | |
| <rellim> sure | |
| <rellim> either voodoo or vesa ... vesa=safe .... voodoo (probably) = native to your card | |
| <Blinker> erm, bus Identifier = PCI:1:0:0? | |
| <rellim> Blinker: just take whatever is default for that field | |
| <Blinker> k | |
| <sensei> That's usually the AGP port | |
| <rellim> Blinker: it should know what's going on ... | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, "no such file or directory' | |
| <rellim> sensei: its an old voodoo card ... i think its pci | |
| <Blinker> it is | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, hum, let me check | |
| <rellim> :) | |
| * Blinker googles how much ram is on the card | |
| <rellim> Blinker: i think there is 8mb | |
| <Blinker> yep | |
| <rellim> w00t! | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, the file is /usr/share/gnome/apps/Graphics/tuxpaint.desktop | |
| <Blinker> 8 or 12 on those cards, but i was trying to remember 8 or 16 | |
| <Blinker> now for the value in KB, do I enter 1000 base or 1024 base? | |
| <rellim> 1024 | |
| <sensei> That's auto probed anyways | |
| <Blinker> not in this case | |
| <sensei> I mean if you leave it out of the config altogether, it is | |
| <rellim> brb | |
| <Blinker> ah | |
| <Blinker> kernel framebuffer? | |
| <sensei> No | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, it worked, can you tell me which file to look for if I want to do the same thing with a different programme? | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, usually the packages provide a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications (called <application>.desktop most of the time) | |
| <seshomaru> thank you | |
| <Gloubiboulga> you just have to copy it in ~/Desktop | |
| <Blinker> rellim: still freaky | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, the location might be different sometimes, but you can list the installed files using synaptic or 'dpkg -c' | |
| <sensei> Blinker: Try changing Driver "voodoo" into Driver "vesa" | |
| <Blinker> k | |
| <ph00> I'm experiencing difficulty, my sound card isn't working, even though it shows up fine in dmesg. Do I have to load some kerhel module or something? | |
| <rellim> back | |
| <rellim> Blinker: .... hrmmm.... lemme think about it for a moment | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, do I have to cd to the directory if i want to dpkg-c ? | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, 'dpkg -c thepackage.deb', which is stored in /var/cache/apt/archives if you used apt | |
| <ph00> phukn ghey | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, this will work even if i apt-get the package? | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, yes | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, can I copy these files from /var/cache/apt... to another machine and install them there(if the other machines has no internet connection...)? | |
| <rellim> Blinker: i am really sorry, but the only thing i have ever come accross that makes the screen freak out like that is refresh rates | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, sure | |
| <sensei> Buggy/incompatible drivers can have interesting effects on monitors as well :) | |
| <Blinker> well we're about to find out if it works under vesa | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, thanks for the info but I have a problem creating a shortcut for gcompris | |
| <seshomaru> I acn see it in var but when I dpkg -c it says 'no such file' | |
| <rellim> Blinker: it may or may not, but vesa is normally about as fail safe as it gets | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, 'dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/gcompris_<tab>' should work | |
| <Blinker> i won't need anything fancy for this machine | |
| <Blinker> and guess what....bingo. | |
| <sensei> Good, because vesa doesn't off anything fancy ;) | |
| <sensei> offer* | |
| <Blinker> ooh, complete with hamster | |
| <Blinker> how appropriate | |
| <ph00> I think it's a gerbil | |
| * Blinker shrugs | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, it worked | |
| <Blinker> rodent running on a wheel - I think hamster. | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, great :) | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, but...i can't find any .desktop file | |
| <rellim> Blinker: mouse ... :) | |
| <rellim> Blinker: its a mouse, don't entirely know why it is ... but thats the xfce logo so in my world, mice and penguins get along very well | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, right, that's because the .desktop file is in the gcompris-data package | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gcompris-data&version=dapper&arch=all | |
| <Blinker> ok, now if someone can point me to device manager, i can tackle networking | |
| <rellim> Blinker: system -> networking | |
| <Blinker> need to configure the devices first | |
| <ph00> rellim: got any ideas for helping with my sound card? | |
| <rellim> ph00: not alot of experience with sound cards, but i will give it a shot | |
| <rellim> Blinker: i don't think there is a gui tool for that in xubuntu | |
| <ph00> it's detected in the dmesg (as CS4235) | |
| <Blinker> gah | |
| <ph00> it's onboard | |
| <rellim> Blinker: type "ifconfig" in the command line and see if the system sees it | |
| <sensei> ph00: In an IBM thinkpad? | |
| <rellim> ph00: hrmmm... what's the sound chipset? | |
| <ph00> and it isn't making music, just throwing a lot of errors whenever an app tries to send it music | |
| <Blinker> rellim: menu editor seems to have locked up my applications menu... | |
| <Blinker> O.o | |
| <ph00> Crystal Sound 4235, just as detected | |
| <sensei> 'a lot of errors' isn't that descriptive :P | |
| <rellim> Blinker: yeah, i should have warned you .... the xfce included in the release is a beta and that error is fixed with the online updates ... | |
| <Blinker> well then, we've encountered a juxtaposition on that front, havent we? lol | |
| <rellim> Blinker: that we have ... hold on, lemme go find the fix for it | |
| <Blinker> hang on, I switched back to terminal mode | |
| <rellim> Blinker: thats fine ... | |
| <rellim> Blinker: "cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml" and then log out and log back in | |
| <seshomaru> Gloubiboulga, thank you very much | |
| <Blinker> it's only showing the loopback | |
| <rellim> Blinker: ok, then we will need to do some hardware detection in a moment | |
| <Gloubiboulga> seshomaru, no problem | |
| <ph00> rellim: msged you with the error, too big to paste to chan | |
| <Blinker> hah, I almost went to copy/paste that command | |
| * Blinker facepalms | |
| <rellim> lol | |
| <sensei> ph00: Is the card residing in an IBM Thinkpad? | |
| <ph00> no, an HP desktop | |
| <rellim> ph00: i didn't get it ... :/ | |
| <sensei> Ok | |
| <ph00> damn | |
| <sensei> ph00: There's always pastebin.com where you can paste the errors and share with everyone here | |
| <ph00> k | |
| <Blinker> something's up with that command. check the caps on it for me real quic | |
| <Blinker> k | |
| <Blinker> should desktop should be Desktop in both instances? | |
| <rellim> uhmmm.... i guess so now that i think about it, but the site said it lower case, so see if it works ... if not, then capitalize | |
| <ph00> pastbin is taking it's sweet time | |
| <Blinker> nm, I got it | |
| <sensei> Try pastebin.ca then | |
| * rellim slaps pastebin "act right bitch!" | |
| <sensei> Yeah, or slap it :) | |
| <Blinker> ubuntu's is workign fine: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ | |
| <Blinker> rellim: got it to work, seems to have executed fine, but didn't display anything | |
| <rellim> well it would have given an error if it was wrong .... so go ahead and try logging out and back in and see what happens | |
| <Blinker> ok | |
| <Blinker> doh. it IS 16M on the vid ram | |
| <Blinker> ahh well. i can go back to that later | |
| <Blinker> ok, menu is back | |
| <rellim> awesome | |
| <ph00> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20199 | |
| <rellim> ph00: ok, just a moment | |
| <ph00> there we go, the error as well as it's occurence in dmesg | |
| <rellim> Blinker: do you know the ethernet make/model? | |
| <Blinker> well theres 2 options | |
| <Blinker> this machine has a wireless card in it, lemme find the disk | |
| <sensei> ph00: is snd-cs4236 loaded ? | |
| <Blinker> rellim: linksys wmp54g | |
| <rellim> Blinker: ok, just a moment | |
| <Blinker> would, by miraculous stroke of luck, the install disk come with linux setup? | |
| <sensei> It would be just that.. miraculous :) | |
| <ph00> sensei shoul I do a "insmod snd-cs4236" | |
| <sensei> ph00: Or if you want to enter teh 2000's, modprobe snd-cs4236 ;) | |
| * ph00 is old and senile :) | |
| <rellim> Blinker: i don't know ... its possible if its newer | |
| <ph00> sensei snd-cs4236 works for cs4235 fine? | |
| <sensei> Blinker: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/28.html | |
| <sensei> ph00: Chances are good, but don't know for sure | |
| <sensei> Can't get much worse, now can it? :) | |
| <ph00> sensei: we have lift-off | |
| <sensei> \o/ | |
| <ph00> where do I put that instruction so I don't have to do it each reboot. | |
| <rellim> ph00: i don't think you will have to do it ... i'm pretty sure it remembers modprobes ... but i could be wrong | |
| <ph00> cool, I*'ll check | |
| <sensei> It doesn't | |
| <sensei> echo "/sbin/modprobe snd-cs4236" >> /etc/rc.local | |
| <sensei> I think it's rc.local .. I'm at work now and only has Vector Linux here | |
| <sensei> eh "think it's /etc/rc.local" it IS rc.local :) | |
| <rellim> wish i had linux at work ... i got away with 1 week of it and BAM it was taken away by a development project for windows | |
| <rellim> buttheads | |
| <Blinker> sensei: ok I read the page you linked to and a "free trial key" doesn't seem like a viable solution | |
| <sensei> It had at Linux desktop as a requirement to take this job to begin with | |
| <sensei> Blinker: Feel free to use whichever solution you may find :) | |
| <rellim> sensei: yeah, they told me "you can do whatever you want with your desktop as long as you are able to be productive" and then they were like, ok we need this software written for windows boxes and i just kinda gave them a blank stare | |
| <ph00> I'd accept any unix desktop | |
| <rellim> ph00: yeah, me too .... anything i can run xfce on really ... | |
| <ph00> I've written and cross-compiled programs for windows on my freebsd box | |
| <rellim> ph00: really? | |
| <rellim> that's awesome | |
| <ph00> yep | |
| <ph00> with mingw | |
| <rellim> interesting, i might have to look into that | |
| <sensei> Luckily all the programming I do is python and bash scripting.. and some C++ from time to time, haven't touched a windows box since I got here except for when my boss didn't know how to set up IMAP in Outlook | |
| <ph00> funny thingm the executables (after stripping) are a lot smaller than off the version of mingw for wndows | |
| <sensei> 'smaller than off' ? | |
| <ph00> bad grammer | |
| <ph00> smaller than if comppiled, then stripped by | |
| <sensei> mingw's binary is smaller than the ELF ? | |
| <rellim> sensei: lol, awesome ... yeah i haven't used a windows box for anything but on campus printing for years .... so its kinda surreal to be back on one ... nothing has changed in 6 years sadly :P | |
| <ph00> they are both M$ exe format (coff isn't it?) | |
| <rellim> i dunno | |
| <Blinker> whats the command to activate the logoff/shutdown screen? | |
| <sensei> xfce4-session-logout maybe | |
| <Blinker> yep. thx sensei | |
| <Blinker> decided to attach that to super_l =p | |
| <sensei> Blinker: You do know about tab completition, don't you? | |
| <sensei> In the terminal | |
| <Blinker> not really | |
| <sensei> Ok, that's step no 1 :) Type xf and press tab twice | |
| <Blinker> definitely good to know | |
| <Blinker> thx | |
| <sensei> Yeah, same goes for paths.. cd /us<tab>/lo<tab> and swoosh | |
| <Blinker> niiiice | |
| <rellim> Blinker: welcome to bash ;) | |
| <ph00> back | |
| <Blinker> =D | |
| <rellim> welcome back ph00 | |
| <ph00> where does linux keep it's kernel modules? | |
| <sensei> /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ | |
| <ph00> in freebsd it's in /boot/kernel, just in case you ever need to know | |
| <rellim> i don't know if i ever will need to know but its nice to | |
| <ph00> freebsd is nice, and better documentation than linux. I like to have several different boxes, so this one has linux installed. | |
| <ph00> I'm no zealot about these things | |
| <ph00> linux, especially ubuntu has a pretty sweet user base | |
| <sensei> Sweet as in big, or sweet as in kittens ? | |
| <ph00> more like big | |
| <rellim> yeah, i'm no zealot about anything, i am open to suggestion and i have run freebsd before just as a file server at my house ... but that box died long ago | |
| <ph00> maybe a little kitten-ish, esp with kubuntu | |
| <sensei> I'd call the kubuntu userbase sheep ratehr than kittens | |
| <rellim> kittens are like women, they are sweet when you play with them, give them what they want, and pet them but when they aren't in the mood they will scratch your eyes out | |
| <ph00> something fuzzy | |
| <rellim> (no i'm not a sexist, i just thought that was funny | |
| <rellim> )* | |
| <sensei> Staying in #kubuntu longer than two hours make me lose faith in human kind and wonder how the heck we even got this far | |
| <ph00> I really don't know what to say about kde in general either | |
| <rellim> talking to KDE users for longer than 2 hours usually turns into some sort of flame, because in general ever since torvalds endorsed kde the kde community is like "everything else is crap, screw off" | |
| <Blinker> ok, networking method #2... | |
| <sensei> I tend to not discuss my software preferences at all :) | |
| <ph00> It's so big (bloaty?), and sparkly, and similar to Windows. | |
| <ph00> sensei: good choice | |
| <sensei> Like that for instance.. That means that for someone with a good performing computer who likes sparkly stuff, KDE is just great :) | |
| <rellim> i don't mind discussing mine because i never really try to force them on others, i just tell everyone to use what they like ... and i don't like cartoons to puke on my already bloated, slower than windows, desktop so i don't run kde | |
| <sensei> So as long as there's no way to change his attitude and strip his hardware, there's no way yo persuade him of otherwise :) | |
| <Blinker> it all really just comes down to user pref anyway. if you have extra processor speed that you don't mind giving up in the name of good looks, then cool, if not, then more power to ya...literally | |
| <rellim> Blinker: yeah, i agree ... anyone can use whatever they want because i'm damn sure not going to lose sleep over it | |
| <Blinker> tru.dat | |
| <ph00> people who like eye-candy for children with good computers like sparkle, but that's a lot of folk. Torvalds recommended kde because it's a flashier M$ windows, but looks so similar, so it's easy for newbs | |
| <Blinker> ok, so anyone feel like helping me try to set up ethernet instead of wireless? i've got the details on it now | |
| <ph00> what ever happened to CLI anyway? | |
| <rellim> ph00: and yet, gnome has a larger user base even with new comers .... oh well | |
| <rellim> ph00: xfce+Terminal ftw | |
| <sensei> ph00: It stayed in the 80's ? :) | |
| <sensei> If you mean CLI as in no X what so ever | |
| <ph00> It's still the easiest way to do administrative stuff often | |
| <sensei> For us, yes ;) | |
| <rellim> www.ebox-platform.com is the easiest way to admin ;) | |
| <ph00> xfce isn't bad | |
| <rellim> xfce is teh sexz0r .... | |
| <TheSheep> linux console is nice, especially if you tweak it properly -- you can get incredible refresh rates with razor-sharp text in very large resolution | |
| <TheSheep> beautiful for long work | |
| <rellim> yeah, but i think it also depends on what you are doing with a computer | |
| <TheSheep> and since there are things like dvi-svga, you don;t really necessarily need X | |
| <rellim> i mean, my mom doesn't need to know that bash exists | |
| <TheSheep> you can even use some svga-based graphical web browser, if you really need | |
| <rellim> well that's cool | |
| <TheSheep> rellim: I bet your mom would be as happy with elinks+mutt+ekg+mplayer that she is with firefox+evolution+gaim+totem :) | |
| <TheSheep> if she had a nice menu to choose them from, I mean | |
| <rellim> TheSheep: i promise you she wouldn't .... she can't install a printer driver on windows WITH the automated tool | |
| <TheSheep> rellim: but the text-based programs are NOT harder to use than the graphical ones | |
| <TheSheep> often on the contrary | |
| <rellim> TheSheep: i agree | |
| <rellim> TheSheep: my favorite irc chat client is irssi because everything else i have come accross is too confusing | |
| <sensei> That is in my opinion pure bs :) | |
| <ph00> nope, navigting through menus with mouse clicks is confusing and slow | |
| <rellim> sensei: find me a chat client more straight forward than irssi and i will let you win that arguement | |
| <TheSheep> it's just a question of doing some initial setup -- some scripts to ease some things | |
| <sensei> rellim: straight forwardness != ease of use | |
| <TheSheep> hey! maybe we'd start cubuntu? :D | |
| <TheSheep> a console-ubuntu | |
| <rellim> sensei: i do believe it is ... | |
| <rellim> TheSheep: could be fun .... | |
| <sensei> Set a computer illiterate infront of irssi and xchat, and tell him to join #xubuntu on FreeNode | |
| <sensei> My guess is he reaches it first with xchat | |
| <TheSheep> some tools would need a litlle undusting :) | |
| <sensei> And that's my definition of easy | |
| <rellim> sensei: not my fault he is uninformed, maybe he should read some docs like the rest of us .... but in all reality i agree with where you are coming from ... i just get annoyed with certain "user friendly features" | |
| <ph00> my bet is that the computer illiterate would get it either way | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: a complete illiterate, that doesn;t even know how to hold a mouse have more chances with irrsi, really | |
| <sensei> TheSheep: As soon as he find out how the mouse works, he's able to see all his options, which is not the case with irssi | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: it has a nice documentation, while xchat's "help" only has "about" and "credits" | |
| <ph00> man pages are pretty good, once you learn how to read them :) | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: as if any of these were helpful | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: that's a myth :) | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: it's the same myth as the 'newbie/poweruser options' | |
| <ph00> I've helped too many idiots too believe that they can "get it" with any kind of interface. | |
| <rellim> brb | |
| <ph00> I got too much to do, bbl, thanks for the help | |
| <sensei> TheSheep: What do you base this on? You are aware of the fact that you're contradicting 30 years of cognitive research made by hunderds, of not thousands of people with PhD's who's engaged their whole lives in researching man-machine interaction? | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: of course, if your "computer illiterate" is also normal illiterate, then xchat wins :) | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: it's not me. I think you need an update on current state of research on congnitive psychology ;) | |
| <sensei> TheSheep: I've studied it for two years, got a low degree in 2001 | |
| <sensei> I think I'm reasonably up to date | |
| <sensei> But pleaes, link me up or give me an ISBN number of what you've read, and I will happily read up on your point of view | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: point-and-grunt is not the only possible 'discoverable interface' | |
| <sensei> TheSheep: Of course not | |
| <rellim> so the urinal in the staff restroom at work is kindergarden short ... like you have to stand back a couple feet so it doesn't splash on you while you pee down at it | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: start with 'Humane Interface' by Jef Raskin, it's pretty lightweight and classic, but nice | |
| <rellim> just thought everyone needed to know about that current psychological study ... short urinals = lack of productivity in the restroom | |
| <TheSheep> rellim: no, no, they do it on purpose so that you hurry up back to your work ;) | |
| <rellim> probably ... | |
| <ph00> I had one more question: Any idea why xfmedia is working like crap for me? | |
| <rellim> ph00: because it is still in early development and it does that to everyone | |
| <rellim> ph00: wait, no ... actually its a conspiracy against you ... yeah, i think thats it | |
| <rellim> :P | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: then there are some nice and light 'web usability' articles on alistapart.com, they seem to suggest that the text is "the" solution | |
| <ph00> is there a light-weight replacement that you'd recommend? | |
| <ph00> TheSheep: there is something very definite and clear about text. | |
| <rellim> ph00: you could do xmms with the mplayer plugin .... don't know exaclty how light weight that is, but xmms is probably as light weight as media gets | |
| <TheSheep> ph00: for music, mpd+gmpc, for movies mplayer | |
| <rellim> that too | |
| <sensei> TheSheep: Haven't read anything from Raskin, I'm asking a colleague who's read it.. And as far as web usability is concerned, I'm all for text | |
| <ph00> oh well, at least I'm not on freebsd, where I had to compile mplayer myself, (as well as firefox, and java) | |
| <ph00> (if I wanted the most recent versions) | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: I'm probably biased by all the web-related stuff I read and do :) | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: I'm also a bit into typography, so you see... ;) | |
| <Blinker> ok, definitely time for sleep. thanks for the help all, i'll be back for more, I'm sure | |
| <ph00> java was the wost | |
| <ph00> worst* | |
| <TheSheep> ph00: Sun opened the java sources? O.o | |
| <rellim> why do java? ... kaffe is much nicer to you and faster ;) | |
| <rellim> but for some reason jikes won't compile shit for me | |
| <sensei> TheSheep: Ah :) Yeah, I don't mind CLI myself, but to call it easier than a GUI app is to take it too far in my and most all others opinion | |
| <rellim> i compile at work on a windows box the same source code i try with jikes and jikes errors out where sun's compiler is like "yup, that's valid" | |
| <ph00> I needed Sun java for the runtime environment. | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: I don;t call it easier. I say it doesn't affect how easy it is. you can make as easy applications for cli as for gui | |
| <rellim> ph00: kaffe is a runtime environment | |
| <ph00> Had to emulate linux and cross-compile linux sources for free-bsd. | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: apart from some user's apparent *fear* of cli, of course, but that's long years of training by ms windows :) | |
| <sensei> What Jef Raskin says is that a GUI prevents a user to enter the automatic state at an early time, which I can buy as well | |
| <rellim> ph00: http://www.kaffe.org/ | |
| <sensei> So yeah, I can definately see your point there | |
| <sensei> I was under the impression that you were one of those "GUI sucks" bashers, because at the end of the day, GUI's are a great way to go as far as ease of use is concerned, although it, as Jef also says, hinders advanced users to enter teh automatic state | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: of course, there exist cli apps that have *horrible* interfaces, but there are also gui apps like this | |
| <sensei> Agreed | |
| <ph00> Is kaffe 1.4? can it do azureus? | |
| <TheSheep> I think that cisco console has some pretty good features improving its discoverability, for exmaple | |
| <rellim> ph00: yeah, kaffe is 1.4.2 compatable to my knowledge | |
| <sensei> Yeah, I had a friend at uni who wrote a paper on IOS | |
| <rellim> ph00: it does openoffice, i know that much | |
| <TheSheep> sensei: of course, when the features are not cared for for several versions, they tend to degrade into useless text | |
| <ph00> There's some reason why it's not a total replacement | |
| <ph00> I'll find out | |
| <rellim> rgr | |
| <ph00> The freebsd version is only up to 1.2 according to the documentation I found | |
| <rellim> ouch | |
| <ph00> yeah, fbsd really lags behind sometimes, our user base isn't as "sweet" | |
| <rellim> lol | |
| <ph00> kaffee needs someone like google to throw money and coders at them | |
| <rellim> i agree | |
| <ph00> if netbsd can get a "summer of code" grant, kaffe should too. | |
| <rellim> amen | |
| <rellim> brb | |
| <rellim> of course you could also use gij if you wanted .... that's another open source jvm and i think it comes with gcj | |
| <rellim> and i think i am going to be doing most of my java development with gcj/gij from now on ... | |
| <rellim> but i will continue to support kaffe as a user ... so maybe i ... i dunno ... i will just compile with gcj and testing run functionality with both gij and kaffe ... screw Sun and their lack of open sourcing | |
| <ph00> I don't like Sun too much | |
| <rellim> i like them in concept, just not in practice | |
| <ph00> i hear that | |
| <ph00> bbiab, time to get tea | |
| <rellim> k | |
| <ph00> why does it ask me for the CD every time I try to install software. | |
| <TheSheep> ph00: remove the cd from repository list | |
| <TheSheep> ph00: in the software properties | |
| <rellim> i was sooo just typing that | |
| <ph00> k | |
| <ph00> thx | |
| <ph00> sorry for the dumb questions, I haven't used linux much lately. | |
| <rellim> no worries | |
| <rellim> brb | |
| <ph00> back | |
| <ph00> xmms is a pig | |
| <Cornellius> Babe too. | |
| <ph00> indeed | |
| <ph00> any idea why I can connect to the server with gaim, but not irssi? | |
| <gnomefreak> ph00: what server? | |
| <ph00> this one | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Irssi works for me. How are you trying to use it? | |
| <ph00> "irssi" | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> And after that, what do you do? | |
| <gnomefreak> ph00: /connect chat.freenode.net | |
| <ph01> didn't work | |
| <ph00_> there we go | |
| <ph00_> irssi is fine from this box, | |
| <ph01> but not this one, where it gives me this "bad password" nonsense | |
| *** ThunderStruck is now known as gnomefreak | |
| <ph01> seriously, how lame is that | |
| <ph00_> pretty lame | |
| <hangfire> ok | |
| <npster> I have a problem with the letters | |
| <hangfire> what is the problem? | |
| <npster> I want to make them in Macedonian Cyrillic but still be able to use latin | |
| <npster> like in Windows I just do Shift+Alt and they change | |
| <hangfire> ok, you may have to download some custom fonts | |
| <npster> I did but it doesn't work | |
| <npster> i downloaded and installed console-cyrillic | |
| <hangfire> just enter "font" in a synaptec package search, youll find lots of custom font packages | |
| <npster> I have a feeling that the problem is in the Keyboard Layout | |
| <hangfire> well maybe, but there are tons of font packages for doing this kind of thing, I dont think the keyboard will hold you back | |
| <hangfire> if you are using xubuntu, you will have a lot less options | |
| <npster> why ? | |
| <hangfire> because it doesnt have as much stuff in the repository | |
| <npster> argh... | |
| <npster> I really need this | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> hangfire: It has exactly the same repos as Ubuntu. | |
| <hangfire> just dual boot ubuntu and xubuntu, its really easy, the disk does everything, it automatically resizes the partition | |
| <Gloubiboulga> PuMpErNiCkLe, thanks, I was about to write the same thing :) | |
| <npster> Then how do I fix this | |
| <npster> How do I make the keyboard to change between Cyrillic and Latin | |
| <Gloubiboulga> npster, with the xkb plugin | |
| <npster> ok wait | |
| <Gloubiboulga> it's a panel plugin | |
| <hangfire> or did you check preferences>keyboard>layout? | |
| <npster> ??? | |
| <npster> where do I find that | |
| <hangfire> preferences>keyboard>layout>add layout | |
| <npster> there is no such thing in Xubuntu | |
| <hangfire> in the toolbar, system>preferences | |
| <Gloubiboulga> nop | |
| <Gloubiboulga> hangfire, that's on Gnome, not Xfce | |
| <hangfire> oh sry | |
| <npster> well how do I do that in Xfce | |
| <Gloubiboulga> npster, you've added the cyrillic layout in xorg.conf? | |
| <npster> ? | |
| <Gloubiboulga> the answer is "no" I guess :) | |
| <Gloubiboulga> the only way to add layouts in xubuntu (for the moment) is to edit /etc/X11/sorg.conf | |
| <npster> I guess so | |
| <Gloubiboulga> err /etc/X11/xorg.conf | |
| <npster> what to add there ? | |
| <Gloubiboulga> in the "InputDevice" Section you have to edit the XkbLayout option | |
| <bdgraue> hi @ all | |
| <Gloubiboulga> wait, you want to switch between 2 keyboard layouts, right? | |
| <npster> yes | |
| <Gloubiboulga> ok | |
| <npster> how do I do that ? | |
| <Gloubiboulga> I try to find which string you have to use | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> yo @ bdgraue | |
| <bdgraue> hi PuMpErNiCkLe | |
| <npster> in the " " there is only us, how do I add to be two "us" and "mk" | |
| <Gloubiboulga> "us,mk" | |
| <npster> I'll try | |
| <Gloubiboulga> you need to restart X | |
| <npster> to add that and restart X | |
| <npster> will it do any damage ? | |
| <npster> to the HDD | |
| <Gloubiboulga> not at all | |
| <npster> what was the combination for restarting X | |
| <Gloubiboulga> ctrl+alt+X or just log out | |
| <Gloubiboulga> no | |
| <Gloubiboulga> ctrl+alt+backspace | |
| <npster> or log out? | |
| <Gloubiboulga> yes, you can just log out and log in again | |
| <Gloubiboulga> hm, actually I'm not sure | |
| <Gloubiboulga> but restarting X is okay anyway | |
| <npster> I did it | |
| <npster> Thank You ALL !!!! | |
| <npster> I am so Happy ! | |
| <Gloubiboulga> cool :) | |
| <npster> lets be friends !!! :-) | |
| <npster> J K | |
| <Gloubiboulga> hehe | |
| <npster> bye | |
| <JohnRobert> I've got main, universe and multiverse in my sources.list, I've ran apt-get update, but I don't seem to be able to find mplayer (or anything like it) with apt-cache search mplayer... anyone know why that could be? | |
| <JohnRobert> (dapper) | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> It should show up. It's in the multiverse repository. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> If nothing else works, though, you can just download the .deb from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/. | |
| <bdgraue> but it must work | |
| <bdgraue> i installed the mplayer with apt-get | |
| <bdgraue> JohnRobert: can u paste your sources.list? | |
| <bdgraue> but don't paste here ;-) | |
| <JohnRobert> fixed it | |
| <JohnRobert> I just copied the sources.list from my laptop to my mediapc | |
| <JohnRobert> cheers tho | |
| <farous> hi what is the official media player that come with xfce? | |
| <farous> totem giving me troubles here and is hogging my resources | |
| <Gloubiboulga> it's xfburn | |
| <Gloubiboulga> damn | |
| <Gloubiboulga> xfmedia | |
| <bdgraue> farous: xfmedia | |
| <farous> thanx | |
| <farous> i assume it is much lighter then totem | |
| <bdgraue> farous: german? | |
| <farous> thanx a lot | |
| <farous> bdgraue, nope egyptian | |
| <bdgraue> farous: couse u joint for a few seconds in xubuntu-de? | |
| <bdgraue> cause | |
| <farous> bdgraue, i pressed it by mistake searching for xubuntu :) | |
| <bdgraue> ah, ok | |
| <farous> am on xubuntu.org now searching for a package list for xubuntu. Thank you all guys | |
| <bdgraue> farous: if u have any questions, ask ;-) | |
| <farous> bdgraue, just looking for what packages | |
| <farous> and still need to figure out how to replace gnome with xubuntu | |
| <farous> am thinking of removing a core gtk lib then installing xubuntu-desktop | |
| <bdgraue> farous: best is to install xubuntu with cd | |
| <farous> bdgraue, i will loose all my custom settings and my list of installed progs :) | |
| <farous> bdgraue, for i run a custom kernel here too | |
| <bdgraue> farous: ok | |
| <farous> thanx a lot all :) see ya from my xubuntu desktop, if you have probs ;) | |
| <rellim> hello world | |
| *** nalioth_ is now known as nalioth | |
| <nu> testing 12 | |
| <npster> ? | |
| <npster> nu: what OS do you use | |
| <nu> im using irssi and not very sure how to switch channels. just figured out. I have Ubuntu | |
| <npster> then open whatever file manager you have there | |
| <npster> or do this: open terminal and write sudo <type stupid things> | |
| <npster> enter your password | |
| <npster> and close terminal and then try to unmount | |
| <nu> doesn't work | |
| <nu> ive done gksudo nautilus even | |
| <npster> are you using a Live CD ? | |
| <nu> no | |
| <nu> i get "umount: only root can unmount /dev/sda1 from /media/sda1" | |
| <npster> then you need a command | |
| <npster> let me see | |
| <nu> i can probably do it through command line | |
| <nu> unmount | |
| <nu> but doing it each time i log on would get old | |
| <npster> WHAT | |
| <nu> lol | |
| <npster> i think that thing isnt a HDD | |
| <nu> it is. its SDA1 | |
| <nu> i have two hard drives. one for ubuntu and another for windows | |
| <nu> and i can navigate through SDA1. i brough all my music from it | |
| <npster> ough... (I think that that is bad) | |
| <nu> why do you think that? | |
| <npster> then if it is a HDD and it is not mounted when BIOS starts then I don't know | |
| <nu> ahhh it's ok | |
| <nu> ill just leave it there | |
| <npster> I Think that when reading somewhere something it said that you had to have GRUB installed on both HDDs | |
| <npster> anyone to back that theory up ??? | |
| <nu> no idea | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Nope. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Grub gets installed to the MBR on the primary drive. | |
| <npster> Oh yeah | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> HDDs are mounted either manually or through an entry in /etc/fstab. | |
| <npster> Why is an HDD there | |
| <npster> It should me in /media/ | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> (With the exception of external ones, which are handled through udev.) | |
| <npster> nu is your HDD a usb one | |
| <nu> No. ATA | |
| <nu> SATA* | |
| <npster> internal or external | |
| <nu> in | |
| <npster> It isn't possible, at least i think so but if it is SDA1 then it is on one HDD | |
| <nu> Its ok. i will just leave it there | |
| <mchasard> hi i'm under the new 6.06 .1 xubuntu | |
| <mchasard> and its seems that the HD are not auto mount ? | |
| <s0undt3ch> hello ppl | |
| <pipboy> Hello | |
| <pipboy> Anyone home? | |
| <BlueEagle> I'm at home. | |
| <BlueEagle> pipboy: ^ | |
| <s0undt3ch> anyone using XGL with xubuntu arround? | |
| <pipboy> Hi Blue | |
| <pipboy> I'm having problems with my ati driver, mabey you can help? | |
| <s0undt3ch> BlueEagle: by any chance you run the beatifull xgl ? | |
| <pipboy> Is that the 3d desktop thing? | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Xgl is the OpenGL accelerated Xserver, yeah. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> I haven't tried it on Xubuntu, since it's not particularly well documented, but I have tried the Xorg composite extension and it offers some of the same features with minimal risk. | |
| <s0undt3ch> PuMpErNiCkLe: what the moving windows and the zomming? comosite allows that? | |
| <s0undt3ch> or the cube? | |
| <pipboy> I'd be happy just to get 3d acceleration working with xubuntu | |
| <s0undt3ch> well, I followed a xubuntu howto, but, I have no funcctionality | |
| *** nixternal_ is now known as nixternal | |
| <s0undt3ch> pipboy: for me it was simple | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> No, or at least not without added applications, but it does offer drop shadows, transparency, and double buffering. | |
| <s0undt3ch> I use nvidia, and I got the official nvidia driver, the minimal setup on xorg.conf and that was it | |
| <pipboy> I've installed drivers three times and they seem to work fine, but I crash seemingly at random | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's probably an ati 'feature'. | |
| <s0undt3ch> well, sorry can't help, you have an ati | |
| <s0undt3ch> he he | |
| <pipboy> =( | |
| <BlueEagle> s0undt3ch: I do. | |
| <BlueEagle> pipboy: did you read !ati ? | |
| <BlueEagle> !ati | |
| <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto | |
| <pipboy> Yes, i've followed a couple howtos as well | |
| <s0undt3ch> BlueEagle: you do, and that cube and zooming stuff actually work? | |
| <pipboy> Actually my crashes aren't that random | |
| <pipboy> They happen when i change sessions to fluxbox or something | |
| <pipboy> then i crash in fluxbox, or even at the login screen with no fluxbox installed | |
| <BlueEagle> s0undt3ch: the cube works. So does true transparency. I haven't tried the zoom feature and since I recently reinstalled winxp I haven't been able to reinstall grub. :/ | |
| <BlueEagle> s0undt3ch: Not that I've put any effort in it or anything :) | |
| <pipboy> my next pc won't have an ati card, i can tell ya that | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> AMD is 'considering' open-sourcing parts of the ati driver codebase. If they do, you might be better off with an ati. :o | |
| <s0undt3ch> BlueEagle: well, I did that a couple of times with my gentoo live cd ;) | |
| <pipboy> so i've heard | |
| <s0undt3ch> BlueEagle: what howto did you follow? | |
| <pipboy> By then my card will be a pile of ash anyhow | |
| <pipboy> at least i got utorrent working | |
| <pipboy> and this nifty irc client =d | |
| <BlueEagle> s0undt3ch: Actually I googled compiz and xgl and xfce4 and found some snippets here and some snippets there. It was really very unscientific but I got it working. | |
| <BlueEagle> s0undt3ch: I was thinking about writing an Xubuntu XGL howto but then I didn't. :) | |
| <s0undt3ch> BlueEagle: I followed http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=232883&highlight=xubuntu+xgl | |
| <s0undt3ch> but nothing apears to be working | |
| <pipboy> ls | |
| <pipboy> nice one pipboy |