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| <tiglionabbit> hey guys, ubuntu wont print out a simple postscript file for me, this is awful, what should I do? | |
| <Razor-X> why? | |
| <Razor-X> (yeah, 1:45 later ;) | |
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| <hybrid_goth> nalioth_wrkn: you avaliable | |
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| <nalioth> yessir | |
| <nalioth> just got in | |
| <hybrid_goth> how do you scroll up in cli | |
| <nalioth> which program? | |
| <hybrid_goth> i need to seee the top of ./configure -help | |
| <nalioth> then issue "./configure --help|less" | |
| <hybrid_goth> ok | |
| <nalioth> but there is a 'scrollbuffer' sort of program that you can get, also | |
| <nalioth> i jsut cant remember the name | |
| <hybrid_goth> ok i found the -enable-image=DEVS for w3m | |
| <nalioth> you didnt install w3m-img? | |
| <hybrid_goth> it did but i cant figure how to call upon it | |
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| <hybrid_goth> yes | |
| <hybrid_goth> links2 -g works | |
| <nalioth> i cant figger how to use it, either | |
| <nalioth> and links -g will only use an X-buffer, not a framebuffer | |
| <hybrid_goth> sudo links -g | |
| <hybrid_goth> works for me | |
| <hybrid_goth> you cant ctrl a p in it though b/c of X | |
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| <nalioth> howdy ed1t | |
| <ed1t> hey nalioth | |
| <ed1t> wats up | |
| <nalioth> i'm not gonna connect anymore on a windows box | |
| <ed1t> lol | |
| <ed1t> i barely do | |
| <nalioth> that sob crashed 3 times the few minutes i was on it | |
| <ed1t> lol | |
| <ed1t> nalioth, you gonna be around for a bit? i was gonna talk to u about something i wanna do, im not sure its worth it or not | |
| <nalioth> a bit | |
| <ed1t> i gotta finish this thing first...ill be right back in 5 min | |
| <ed1t> nalioth, i was thinking of making an shell script for an java installer, like do the whole process of making easier for a newbie | |
| <ed1t> shell script will automatically do the steps for it | |
| <ed1t> all they need to do is download the file from java sire | |
| <ed1t> site* | |
| <nalioth> why should they do that? your script can invoke curl or wget | |
| <ed1t> yea | |
| <ed1t> that can work too | |
| <ed1t> i just wansnt sure if it was a good idea | |
| <nalioth> when you write it, comment heavily | |
| <nalioth> also, keep in mind, that it will only work on x86 arches (unless you are familiar with PPC) | |
| <ed1t> i gotta learn shell scripting first, im not good at it... | |
| <nalioth> i think the amd64 java install is the same, but am not quite sure | |
| <nalioth> really? | |
| * nalioth figgered from your wiki, you'd have the shell scripting down pat | |
| <ed1t> heh | |
| <ed1t> i figured it would be a good experience for me and would help the newbies | |
| <ed1t> wat u say> | |
| <nalioth> yes, shell scripting is a fine skill | |
| <nalioth> but will newbies know how to execute it? | |
| <nalioth> we are aiming at "how did that user turn on the puter in the first place" level of user | |
| <ed1t> ooo | |
| <ed1t> i guess it will be too much of an advanced stuff? | |
| <nalioth> you have to think "how best can i help my grandmother" with a new puter | |
| <ed1t> hmmm | |
| <ed1t> then i guess i might just work on the wiki pages on FAQs and stuff | |
| <nalioth> simple is best, and nothing wrong with helpful shell scripts (the more advanced users COMING to ubuntu may appreciate them) | |
| <ed1t> k | |
| <ed1t> i might give it a shot on making that shell script | |
| <nalioth> shell scripts are wonderful | |
| <nalioth> comment it well | |
| <ed1t> k | |
| <ed1t> shall i add that to a meeting agenda? | |
| <nalioth> you making a shell script? | |
| <ed1t> yea im gonna give it a try.... | |
| <nalioth> i will mention it to mez and seveas, you are the only one who is interested in writing one | |
| <ed1t> k | |
| <nalioth> so go ahead, and we'll see how it works and where to put it | |
| <ed1t> it would be helpful if anyone wants to join me writing | |
| <ed1t> k | |
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| <nalioth> ed1t: have you seen this? | |
| <nalioths_dog> ed1t: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically | |
| <ed1t> yea i seen it before | |
| <nalioth> Seveas wrote that with a bit of help from me | |
| <nalioth> his script checks the archtype of the machine it runs on | |
| <ed1t> its a pretty good script, i have used it before | |
| <nalioth> i suggest your script go on the assumption the user has d/l their particular java.bin | |
| <nalioth> that way, the script works on x86 and PPC (and amd64 if the installation is the same) | |
| <ed1t> ooo k | |
| <nalioth> i can help you a bit with the PPC part | |
| <ed1t> that would be great | |
| <nalioth> i try to be helpful with my PPC knowledge | |
| <nalioth> havent owned a windows box in over 5 years | |
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| <ed1t> # pseudo code for jinstall | |
| <ed1t> ## 1. check for arch | |
| <ed1t> ## 2. check for .bin file in the current directory | |
| <ed1t> ## 3. if file exists, apt-get install fakeroot java-package java-common build-e$## 4. fakeroot it | |
| <ed1t> ## 5. dkpg it | |
| <ed1t> ## 6. install it | |
| <ed1t> made a lil pseudo code | |
| <ed1t> its just a rough idea | |
| <nalioth> ##3a check for fakeroot java-package java-common etc | |
| <ed1t> k | |
| <nalioth> b/c if you have your script install w/o checking, you have build the login in when apt returns "already the newest version" | |
| <ed1t> k added that | |
| <nalioth> just throwing out ideas | |
| <ed1t> i dont think i would have to add any mirrors in sources.list | |
| <nalioth> i think you'd need to check | |
| <ed1t> k | |
| <nalioth> but i'm not sure where those pkgs are placed | |
| <nalioth> now is just a rough idea, we will polish it over the next few days/weeks | |
| <ed1t> yea | |
| <ed1t> if we cant find where the packages are placed, we can just try to install them and see if we get the notice back 'newest version is already installed' | |
| <ed1t> its not the best way to check it, but hey it does its job | |
| <nalioth> nah, pkg placement is easy | |
| <ed1t> k | |
| <nalioth> i know a helpful bot | |
| <ed1t> a helpful bot? | |
| <nalioth> type /msg ubotu info java-package and he'll tell you what repo to look for in a sources.list | |
| <nalioth> it works for any ubuntu pkg | |
| <nalioth> in #ubuntu, just type "info <pkgname>" for ubotu to answer | |
| <ed1t> ubotu Package 'java-package ' does not exist. | |
| <nalioth> yer kiddin. he just answered me | |
| <ed1t> java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB | |
| <ed1t> he didnt answer me by msh | |
| <ed1t> msg | |
| <ed1t> he answered me in #ubuntu | |
| <nalioth> were you in #ubuntu when you asked? | |
| <ed1t> yea | |
| <nalioth> thats why | |
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| <ed1t> im going to bed too | |
| <ed1t> cya all tomorrow | |
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| <ed1t> cant go to sleep :( | |
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| <JanC> hello, I just found this, which we can probably use somehow in a New User Guide: | |
| <JanC> http://www.leinir.dk/leinir/index.php?node_id=182&language=en | |
| <JanC> "it's a small guide to IRC support" | |
| <Mez> that's more geared towards asking, maybe it can used - we'll see | |
| <Mez> add it tot eh agenda | |
| <Mez> janc, how did you learn about us? | |
| <JanC> I'm on lots of #ubuntu-* channels ;) | |
| <Mez> and what made you want to join:? | |
| <JanC> and follow most of the meetings or read logs of them | |
| <JanC> well, I help new users, so it's always easier to have good documentation | |
| <JanC> especially easy & simple how-to-get-started guidelines | |
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| <naliothatwrk> howdy | |
| <kbrooks> howdy | |
| <kbrooks> wassup? | |
| <Mez> the celing | |
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| <naliothatwrk> mez, your wit floors me | |
| <kbrooks> lol. | |
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| * ed1t whistles | |
| <kbrooks> ed1t! | |
| <ed1t> kbrooks!! hows it going? | |
| <kbrooks> test | |
| <kbrooks> lol | |
| <kbrooks> http://www.ubuntu-de.org/logs/freenode/2005/07/16/%23ubuntu-nun.log | |
| <kbrooks> nice | |
| <ed1t> lol | |
| <kbrooks> "Give people information to work with. Saying that the program doesn't work is hardly enough information to be able to give you a proper solution to remedying that situation." | |
| <ed1t> lol | |
| <ed1t> hmm i think im gonna install another ubuntu on the 10GB space i have for testing purposes | |
| <kbrooks> why? | |
| <ed1t> i dunn | |
| <ed1t> i got that 10 GB free | |
| <ed1t> lol | |
| <kbrooks> why testing purposes? | |
| <kbrooks> oh | |
| <kbrooks> breezy | |
| <ed1t> is breezy stable? | |
| <kbrooks> define stable | |
| <ed1t> i didnt mean like stable...but like usable | |
| <ed1t> lol i just have that 10 GB free | |
| <JanC> ed1t : breezy's Xorg is broken | |
| <JanC> but this is not on-topic here... | |
| <ed1t> ooo | |
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| <naliothatwrk> is there a topic in here? | |
| <ed1t> yea | |
| *** ed1t changes topic to "This is the channel for the Ubuntu New User Network. || To learn more about the UNP, go here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserNetwork, and to join, go here https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/unp/+join || Please contribute to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuide || NUN, the most controversial team in town || Logs: http://ubuntu-de.org/logs/freenode/ || NUN Meeting Fri 22 July 20:00 UTC #ubuntu-meeting http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda" | |
| <ed1t> wtf | |
| <ed1t> kk | |
| <ed1t> weird....why did it show weird on my xchat | |
| <kbrooks> DUNNO | |
| <naliothatwrk> y'all have mercy on me, i'm out here on a windows box | |
| <kbrooks> heh | |
| <ed1t> lol | |
| <kbrooks> when you go home, naliothatwrk | |
| <kbrooks> ? | |
| <ed1t> brb | |
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| <kbrooks> ok | |
| <naliothatwrk> l8r | |
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| <kbrooks> ed1t, wb | |
| <ed1t> thx | |
| <kbrooks> yw | |
| <ed1t> im bored | |
| <kbrooks> i'm not. | |
| <kbrooks> hacking together scripts from the web | |
| <ed1t> lol | |
| <ed1t> sorry gotta switch to win xp for a while...work on my web design project in dreamweaver | |
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| <ed1t> in windows xp :( | |
| <kbrooks> lol | |
| <seth_k> why not use quanta | |
| <seth_k> </late> | |
| <ed1t> heh | |
| <kbrooks> heh | |
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| <hybrid_goth> hey yall | |
| <kbrooks> Seveas, ping | |
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| <ed1t> stupid windows | |
| <ed1t> it restarted when i hooked up a USB hard drive | |
| <kbrooks> well | |
| <kbrooks> that's driver problems | |
| <JanC> or a hardware problem | |
| <naliothatwrk> just call the kettle black. its fscking windows | |
| <kbrooks> yup | |
| <kbrooks> naliothatwrk, poke | |
| <ed1t> lol | |
| * ed1t starts poking kbrooks | |
| <naliothatwrk> poke? | |
| <ed1t> yea start poking hinm | |
| <ed1t> him | |
| <ed1t> heh | |
| <kbrooks> naliothatwrk, when are you going to get home? | |
| <kbrooks> what time specifically. | |
| <kbrooks> it's 8:06 pm there | |
| <ed1t> its 8 pm there? | |
| <naliothatwrk> in 4 hours, i'll leave here | |
| <kbrooks> god | |
| <kbrooks> 7:00 pm here then. | |
| <kbrooks> ed1t, in GMT yes | |
| <naliothatwrk> kbrooks do i need to authenticate for some reason, i just not be on the job? | |
| <kbrooks> naliothatwrk, huh? authenicate? are you working? | |
| <naliothatwrk> iow, do you need my full attention (not shared by cab drivers, customers and the boss on the office phones)? | |
| <kbrooks> no. | |
| <kbrooks> sorry. | |
| <naliothatwrk> you guys i am dispatching taxicabs in the houston metropolitan area at this time | |
| <kbrooks> (not yet) | |
| <kbrooks> understood. | |
| <naliothatwrk> so whwn you see this nick i'm using, bear in mind, it might be a while b4 i answer | |
| <kbrooks> naliothatwrk, i didnt even know your job could be so hard on you. | |
| <naliothatwrk> hard on me? | |
| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: they screw with your hours since you became a dispatcher? | |
| <kbrooks> yes. | |
| <kbrooks> naliothatwrk, multitasking to be exact | |
| <ed1t> hey hybrid_goth | |
| <naliothatwrk> what hours? b4 i was self employed | |
| <hybrid_goth> ed1t: hey | |
| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: ah | |
| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: why did you decide to go be a dispatch | |
| <naliothatwrk> i like challenges | |
| <hybrid_goth> lol | |
| <hybrid_goth> is that why you use linux | |
| <naliothatwrk> yes it is | |
| <naliothatwrk> among other reasons | |
| <hybrid_goth> lol | |
| <hybrid_goth> but being a dispatcher you get to use the most used consumer OS in the world! Windows! | |
| <ed1t> lol | |
| <naliothatwrk> not for long | |
| <hybrid_goth> why | |
| <kbrooks> why? | |
| <naliothatwrk> cuz when i get my paid position (i'm training atm) | |
| <naliothatwrk> i'll have my ibook up here with me | |
| <hybrid_goth> sweet | |
| <kbrooks> YAY :p | |
| <hybrid_goth> i may recompile the kernal so i can wardrive | |
| <hybrid_goth> exsepcially if i got down there | |
| <naliothatwrk> why would you come here? | |
| <Seveas> kbrooks, pong | |
| <kbrooks> Seveas, whats up | |
| <Seveas> you pinged me :) | |
| <Seveas> <hybrid_goth> hey yall | |
| <Seveas> <kbrooks> Seveas, ping | |
| <Seveas> <-- ed1t has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| <kbrooks> Seveas, oh | |
| <kbrooks> #ubuntu asked where that sources.list went... | |
| <naliothatwrk> hi Seveas | |
| <hybrid_goth> school shoppin | |
| <hybrid_goth> brb | |
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| <kbrooks> Seveas, ^^^^^^^^ | |
| <ed1t> wat sources.list? | |
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| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: but i may be down there to go skewl shoppin | |
| * hybrid_goth lag is a whopping 5.58 | |
| <Seveas> kbrooks, ah | |
| <Seveas> ed1t, prolly the one at the pastebin | |
| <ed1t> its still there | |
| <naliothatwrk> skewl shoppin in H-town? | |
| <kbrooks> Seveas, that one | |
| <ed1t> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 | |
| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: yea | |
| <naliothatwrk> hybrid_goth ya need to shop for skewl at apple.com | |
| <hybrid_goth> hehe | |
| <hybrid_goth> my mom already is gettin me a psp i doubt ill get a new mac | |
| <naliothatwrk> tell her you can emulate a psp ON a mac | |
| <hybrid_goth> lol | |
| <naliothatwrk> esp that juicy new low-power-G5 powerbook i KNOW they got in the pipe | |
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| <hybrid_goth> lol | |
| <ed1t> i want a G5! | |
| <ed1t> how much are they? | |
| <hybrid_goth> i want the airport extreme wireless in linux | |
| <naliothatwrk> ed1t what kind of G5? | |
| <naliothatwrk> hybrid_goth get to reverse engineering | |
| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: i wounder if wh will get a AuBook this time | |
| <ed1t> what are the options? i dunno much about macs | |
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| <ed1t> i think my i get discount on macs thru my university | |
| <hybrid_goth> ed1t: powermac imac emac | |
| <ed1t> imac | |
| <naliothatwrk> ed1t you can get a fully loaded with cherries and chocolate G5 mac for $4300 | |
| <ed1t> the nootbook | |
| <hybrid_goth> ed1t: notepook is ibook or powerbook | |
| <ed1t> which ones better? | |
| <hybrid_goth> **notebook | |
| <hybrid_goth> for | |
| <naliothatwrk> ed1t "better" is subjective | |
| <naliothatwrk> ed1t ALL macs roX0r | |
| <ed1t> heh | |
| <hybrid_goth> ed1t: i like my ibook it is small and portable but the powerbook is bigger but also fast | |
| <hybrid_goth> er | |
| <ed1t> ibook then | |
| <ed1t> hows the 1.2 Ghz PowerPC G4 | |
| <hybrid_goth> ed1t: g4 or g3 | |
| <ed1t> 1.2GHz PowerPC G4 | |
| <ed1t> 512K L2 cache @ 1.2GHz | |
| <ed1t> 12-inch TFT Display | |
| <ed1t> 1024x768 resolution | |
| <ed1t> 256MB DDR266 SDRAM | |
| <ed1t> 30GB Ultra ATA drive | |
| <ed1t> CD-ROM | |
| <ed1t> ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 | |
| <ed1t> 32MB DDR video memory | |
| <ed1t> AirPort Extreme ready | |
| <hybrid_goth> ed1t: g3 you can run linux on easier but g4 is faster and newer | |
| <naliothatwrk> hybrid_goth diffs tween airport and apx | |
| <ed1t> that one is $899 with free shipping | |
| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: g3 doesnt have apx | |
| <naliothatwrk> hybrid_goth explain the diffs to ed1t, please | |
| <ed1t> i might buy it | |
| <naliothatwrk> ed1t you need to go to www.apple.com/store and click the red tag at the bottom right | |
| <naliothatwrk> ed1t THERE you'll see some GREAT prices | |
| <hybrid_goth> ed1t: atm airport extreme is unsupported by linux | |
| <hybrid_goth> therefore no wireless in a g4 or g5 | |
| <hybrid_goth> but if you go like naliothatwrk and me the g3 has wireless ootb | |
| <ed1t> if i buy it...ill have to like get a safe too or find something to lock that, coz i cant trust leaving that alone in my dorm room | |
| <hybrid_goth> java is a bitch with PPC Linux so if it is neccessity you may wish to dual boot | |
| <ed1t> i trust my roommates and my friends... | |
| <naliothatwrk> hybrid_goth not so, i found it easy after i got thru IBMs defenses | |
| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: oh yea i just havent found the damned rpm i need from IBM | |
| <naliothatwrk> hybrid_goth get with me when i'm home | |
| <hybrid_goth> ok | |
| <ed1t> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/71707/wo/o42s4A8acHxS2zNXTcE29cObcDp/1.0.0.11.1.0.6.7.3.5.1.1.10.1.5.1.2.5.0 | |
| <ed1t> this ones nice | |
| <ed1t> good price too | |
| <hybrid_goth> how much | |
| <ed1t> 1099 | |
| <hybrid_goth> i mite have to get a job so i can get a new mac | |
| <ed1t> PowerBook G4 1.33GHz/ 256MB/ 60GB/ Combo/ AP Extreme Card/ E/ 12-inch/ Aluminum | |
| <hybrid_goth> i want the 6 by 6 by 2.5 OS X emulator | |
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| <hybrid_goth> they stop the TiBooks? | |
| <ed1t> i heard Macs are gonna use intel processors now | |
| <ed1t> i mean apple | |
| <hybrid_goth> yup | |
| * hybrid_goth sheds a tear | |
| <ed1t> hows that gonna be? better then right now? | |
| <hybrid_goth> depends i like PPC | |
| <hybrid_goth> Intel is for Mass markets now mac market | |
| <ed1t> why they gonna start doing that? | |
| <hybrid_goth> mass market | |
| <naliothatwrk> ed1t the nice thing about mac refurbs is: all their refurbs come with full apple warranty, plus they are applicable for the extended applecare | |
| <hybrid_goth> you wont build a pc and put OS X on it though | |
| <ed1t> nice | |
| <hybrid_goth> your dell wont come with OSX | |
| <ed1t> i hate dell laptops/desktops | |
| <hybrid_goth> lol | |
| <ed1t> i got IBM Thinkpad R52 | |
| <ed1t> i had a dell laptop like 2 yrs ago..it ran like shit | |
| <hybrid_goth> but what i mean is OSX will only run on Macs | |
| <ed1t> yea | |
| <ed1t> thats why i wanna buy a mac | |
| <ed1t> screw this...i hate windows | |
| <ed1t> going to ubuntu | |
| <ed1t> brb | |
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| <hybrid_goth> lol | |
| <naliothatwrk> unlike intel refurbs which usually have 30 day (or until you get home) warranties | |
| <hybrid_goth> lol | |
| <naliothatwrk> hybrid_goth have you seen the windoze benchmarks they've run on the intel mac dev boxen? | |
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| <hybrid_goth> nope | |
| <naliothatwrk> they shhmmooooke | |
| <hybrid_goth> who was? mac is faster? | |
| <ed1t> back in ubuntu | |
| <hybrid_goth> wb | |
| <ed1t> i dunno if its a good idea to get a ibook and keep it in my dorm room | |
| <ed1t> thx | |
| <naliothatwrk> hybrid_goth no, they installed XP on the dev box, and it was 10 seconds to a desktop | |
| <naliothatwrk> osx dosnt have to shhmmooooke, OSX is above benchmarking | |
| <hybrid_goth> wow | |
| <hybrid_goth> ol | |
| <hybrid_goth> bbl | |
| <naliothatwrk> anyway here is where i work (and NO i did not make this website <i'm far more professional>) | |
| <naliothatwrk> http://www.pasadenataxi.com/ | |
| <hybrid_goth> pasadena? | |
| <kbrooks> bleargh | |
| <kbrooks> not professional | |
| <kbrooks> wtf? | |
| <kbrooks> it uses javascript | |
| <kbrooks> omg | |
| <kbrooks> a company website using javascript? | |
| <hybrid_goth> lol | |
| <kbrooks> i cant believe it! | |
| <hybrid_goth> hehe | |
| <kbrooks> and its NOT using css properly | |
| <hybrid_goth> css is stupid | |
| <hybrid_goth> ! | |
| <hybrid_goth> who makes a site to use css for lynx | |
| <hybrid_goth> oh you dont have to | |
| <naliothatwrk> ed1t the ibooks have alloy frames and polycarbonate bodys (i've accidentally dropped mine out of the cab more than once) | |
| <kbrooks> hybrid_goth, i embrace CSS | |
| <naliothatwrk> ed1t and they have kensington lock ports | |
| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: heh | |
| <hybrid_goth> kbrooks: why | |
| <hybrid_goth> naliothatwrk: how does the lock port work | |
| <hybrid_goth> ? | |
| <hybrid_goth> what lock do i need | |
| <ed1t> oooo then its worth it i guess... | |
| <kbrooks> hybrid_goth, <font /> mess | |
| <ed1t> coz i cant leave that unlocked in my room | |
| <naliothatwrk> hybrid_goth google "kensington lock" | |
| <hybrid_goth> g2g my lag is way to high | |
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| <Burgundavia> gah, mez has gone | |
| <naliothatwrk> dja need something specific, Burgundavia? | |
| <kbrooks> 9:00 pm GMT | |
| <Burgundavia> no | |
| <Burgundavia> fixed ubotu | |
| <Burgundavia> I notice that mez killed newuserguideadding repos | |
| <Burgundavia> that is good | |
| <kbrooks> i fixed it too | |
| <naliothatwrk> me and mez were fixin a wiki page t'other day and i ended up with 8 diffs in the #preview | |
| <Burgundavia> ok | |
| <Burgundavia> that is good | |
| <Burgundavia> I am glad the nun people have kicked us lazy doc team people regarding the wiki | |
| <Burgundavia> we had been neglecting it recently | |
| * seth_k fixed JavaPackageBuildNewVersions today | |
| <JanC> Burgundavia : who's responsible for configuring the wiki software ? | |
| <Burgundavia> hendrik | |
| <Burgundavia> why? | |
| <JanC> there is a moinmoin setting that allows to use a "!" prefix to disable wiki-linking a WordLikeThis | |
| <seth_k> yeah, it got turned off somewhere in between the old wiki and new wiki | |
| <seth_k> I miss it | |
| <Burgundavia> I want moinmoin is sync with mediawiki for their markup | |
| <JanC> WordsLikeThis are often TradeMarks :) | |
| <JanC> or IRC nicks | |
| <JanC> or other things people don't want to link | |
| <Burgundavia> I want explicity links and non-CamelCase | |
| <naliothatwrk> i personally dont like the moinmoin at all (but i can deal with it) | |
| <Burgundavia> moinmoin is nicer security wise and has *much* higher throughput, in the order to 10x media | |
| <JanC> moinmoin also allows the admin to change the defaults AFAIK ? | |
| <Burgundavia> I assume so | |
| <JanC> it wouldn't be as widely used as it is now if that wasn't possible, i guess :) | |
| <Burgundavia> moin is 2nd most widely used engine I think | |
| <JanC> what would be #1 ? | |
| <Burgundavia> mediawiki | |
| <JanC> mediawiki is not used on that many sites I think ? | |
| <Burgundavia> wikipedia and the wikiMedia projects | |
| <Burgundavia> hula-project.org | |
| <Burgundavia> gentoo help | |
| <Burgundavia> wiki.openttd.org | |
| <Burgundavia> etc. etc. | |
| <JanC> at least, I have many more moinmoin accounts than I have mediawiki accounts :) | |
| <Burgundavia> moinmoin is preferred by developers | |
| <Burgundavia> mediawiki by users | |
| <Burgundavia> as it supports full css, etc. | |
| <Burgundavia> looks better | |
| <JanC> the ubuntu wiki doesn't look bad IMHO | |
| * ed1t pokes kbrooks | |
| <JanC> I have used pmWiki myself | |
| <JanC> but I'm not sure it scales to what is needed for Ubuntu | |
| <Burgundavia> better to build in scaling now | |
| <JanC> it would need a caching system | |
| <naliothatwrk> JanC are you a backend guy? | |
| <JanC> what you mean by "backend guy" :) | |
| <JanC> ? | |
| <JanC> I have set up some (web)server stuff, but I don't do that eveyday | |
| <JanC> everyday | |
| <naliothatwrk> JanC planning proxys, caching, load balancing, etc | |
| <JanC> I have no real experience | |
| <JanC> only know what I know from reading & talking with other people | |
| <JanC> I know pmwiki would need a caching system as by default it stores all pages on disk & has to render the source to html on every pageview... | |
| <kbrooks> brb | |
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| <naliothatwrk> see y'all later | |
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