<dinger1986> ok cheers mate

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Jamie Bennett] QT and Nokia, the bigger plan? - http://www.linuxuk.org/QT_Nokia_iPhone_and_Android

<d3ngar> Good evening

<popey> hi

<WastePotato> Hi d3ngar.

<d3ngar> I was wondering if someone can help me: I'm running 9.04 and my wireless stopped working for no apparent reason - today...

<d3ngar> (also the wireless light is off now)

<d3ngar> ifconfig doesn't list the card

<d3ngar> iwconfig obviously doesn't

<d3ngar> I'm a sad (cabled) boy

* brobostigon returns from chess, alittle high.

<popey> d3ngar: can you boot to an older kernel?

<d3ngar> Not that I can see

<d3ngar> Everything was running smooth, so I deleted the older kernel to save space

<rascal999> what does an external cd drive come up as on linux? usb external

<d3ngar> I did see in the update manager that there was another Kernel update today (or yesterday?)

<d3ngar> and I was surprised, cause it didn't have a new version number...

<d3ngar> Actually there must have been a Kernel update, I notice that my UVC webcam's picture is flipped upside down again

<d3ngar> Lemme check Synaptic

<d3ngar> Should I install an older Kernel?

<brobostigon> rascal999: i would check out what dmesg says, and sudo fdisk -l. as in the dev reference.

<d3ngar> The strange thin is that the wireless driver always worked out of the box

<d3ngar> I think it was part of the restricted drivers? - Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection

<brobostigon> you may aswell check if you wifi needed some special firmware,

<brobostigon> which changed with the kernel change.

<d3ngar> thanks for the advice, how would I go about this?

<brobostigon> unlikely though, it shouldnt do that

<brobostigon> what does dmesg say about it,

<brobostigon> do you still have a definate dev reference to the network interface?

<d3ngar> too much, how can i restrict the output?

<brobostigon> look for a dev ref to the interface

<d3ngar> sorry, I'm still somewhat of a noob

<brobostigon> also what depending on the interface what does ifconfig and iwconfig say about it?

<brobostigon> /dev/***

<d3ngar> ifconfig does not list the device

<brobostigon> iwconfig?

<d3ngar> no wireless extentions on the other cards

<ali1234> ifconfig -a

<brobostigon> does it com up with a dev ref? that could be it?

<d3ngar> There is a strange device: pan0

<ali1234> that's for bluetooth

<brobostigon> yep

<d3ngar> ah, ta!

<brobostigon> enything else?

<brobostigon> a*

<d3ngar> right, otherwise there are only eth0 and lo and two vmware cards

<brobostigon> does dmesg show anything referring to it?

<d3ngar> It's toolong an output, I don't understand what it all means, but I couldn't see anything that refers to wireless

<brobostigon> so is it a usb or pci interface?

<d3ngar> pci

<d3ngar> lspci lists it fine

<d3ngar> lshw -C network also lists it, but UNCLAIMED (whatever that means)

<ali1234> means you have no driver :)

<brobostigon> you may need some firmware for it,

<brobostigon> spot on ali1234

<d3ngar> how can the driver get lost?

<ali1234> kernel upgrade can do it

<d3ngar> not fair ;-(

<ali1234> firmwares can be per-kernel

<brobostigon> yep, you may need to get the firmware and driver new again

<d3ngar> how would I go about that?

<d3ngar> supplier?

<ali1234> if you didnt have to do it before you shouldn't have to do it again now

<d3ngar> I never did

<X3N> Does anyone want a 16 port 10/100 rackmount unmanaged switch?

<brobostigon> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection

<ali1234> do you have a wireless killswitch?

<d3ngar> I'm pretty sure it was part of the restricted 3rd party drivers

<d3ngar> sure does

<ali1234> did you try pressing it?

<d3ngar> but I flicked that back and forth a few times ;)

<brobostigon> and then looking at dmesg again

<d3ngar> Thanks for the hint though :D

<ali1234> what machine and card it is?

<d3ngar> It's an Asus FR something something

<ali1234> try rmmod acer-wmi

<d3ngar> card as pointed out by brobostigon

<ali1234> sudo rmmod acer-wmi

<brobostigon> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection

<d3ngar> not an existing module

<ali1234> then... i guess it's bugged... report it

<brobostigon> i am not familier with intel wifi,

<d3ngar> how do I report bugs?

<brobostigon> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS WLA-54L WiFi is mine

<brobostigon> !launchpad

<ubot4> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/

<ali1234> !bug

<ubot4> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots

<brobostigon> thats it

<d3ngar> but ho do I know what package it is?

<d3ngar> sorry to ask all these questions

<d3ngar> Appreciate the patience!

<ali1234> d3ngar: you don't but hopefully someone will triage the (manual) bug report

<brobostigon> you dont need to. just give as much hw info as possible

<brobostigon> and software info

<X3N> is it in l-r-m ?

<ali1234> d3ngar: do you have linux-restricted-modules version matching current kernel?

<d3ngar> i'll check

<brobostigon> thanks for the help ali1234, i was getting stuck with my knowledge of wifi with d3ngar

<d3ngar> it's on ~.17

<d3ngar> kernel runs ~.18

<ali1234> ok there you go

<ali1234> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules

<ali1234> that will install the metapackage which should hopefully keep the latest version installed

<brobostigon> !info linux-restricted-modules

<ubot4> brobostigon: linux-restricted-modules (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux restricted modules.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.28.13.17 (jaunty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB

<ali1234> hmmmmmm what?

<ali1234> !info linux-image

<ubot4> ali1234: linux-image (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.28.13.17 (jaunty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB

<d3ngar> so the matching modules aren't available?

<ali1234> d3ngar: so where did the .18 come from

<X3N> ali1234: the meta package automatically upgrades the linux restricted modules package when you get a new kernel

<X3N> sorry I meant d3ngar

<ali1234> d3ngar: so what is your full kernel version?

<d3ngar> how do I check that again?

<ali1234> uname -r

<brobostigon> uname -a

<brobostigon> yes

<d3ngar> 2.6.28-13-generic

<d3ngar> Not any further versions

<ali1234> ok that's latest

<ali1234> and full l-r-m version?

<d3ngar> ali1234: how do I check?

<brobostigon> ,y latest on 9.04 is 2.6.28-11-generic

<brobostigon> ok,

<ali1234> brobostigon: you;re a few days out of date then :)

<brobostigon> ali1234: i must be, :)

<ali1234> d3ngar: look in synaptic i guess

<brobostigon> !info l-r-m

<ubot4> brobostigon: Package l-r-m does not exist in jaunty

<brobostigon> !l-r-m

<ubot4> Factoid 'l-r-m' not found

<d3ngar> Installed version says: 2.6.28-13.45

<ali1234> that's odd

<ali1234> mine says 2.6.28-13.17

<d3ngar> it also says something in the header about 64 bit

<ali1234> ah 64 bit

<d3ngar> But I'm pretty sure I did install the 32 bit version from the CD

<ali1234> well, you need a matching kernel and modules

<d3ngar> Could it have happened that the update changed the OS to 64 bit?

<ali1234> i very much doubt it

<d3ngar> That would be very weird

<d3ngar> And require a serious amount of kernel changes...

<brobostigon> and the software ontop of it,

<d3ngar> No, there were two updates on the kernel...

<d3ngar> First about two weeks ago. I had to fix the camera...

<d3ngar> But the wireless was fine...

<d3ngar> Now there might have been one today, while I was at work and I found that rather strange...

<d3ngar> Can I somehow install what's missing for an older kernel and boot into that?

<ali1234> maybe. in synaptic you can force version to an older one

<ali1234> but often you can't get the debs any more

<brobostigon> ok, sorry, i cant be more help, i am half asleep.

<Paladine> man what a day

* Paladine just got home

<brobostigon> Paladine: how has it been?

<Paladine> been a crazy day

<brobostigon> Paladine: how about a nightcap?

<Paladine> the APComms session went well though

<Paladine> Phorm turned up an hour late

<brobostigon> thats good,

<brobostigon> lol

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<Paladine> I learned a valuable lesson today

<Paladine> never use postcode when using google maps in London

<brobostigon> ?

<Paladine> I must have walked 10 miles today and ended up at the wrong place 3 times

<brobostigon> not good, so not accurate?

<Paladine> terrible

<brobostigon> ah

<Paladine> I had to go meet a journo after lunch and ended up about 2 miles from her office when using postcode

<brobostigon> !nodpi

<ubot4> Factoid 'nodpi' not found

<Paladine> an 8 minutes journey took me an hour

<brobostigon> thats very inaccurate

<Paladine> works fine if you put the actual street though instead of the postcode

<brobostigon> ah,

<brobostigon> ok,

<Paladine> one thing which was hilarious - we went for lunch after the event and they were serving "Kent's Best" on draght in the bar lol

* brobostigon needs sleep, he almost fell asleep with hands on keyboard

<Paladine> (Kent is the name of Phorm's CEO)

<brobostigon> :)

<brobostigon> coincidence

<Paladine> it was too funny

<Paladine> I don't drink but my colleague couldn't resist

<brobostigon> good night all, sleep well linux-ites,

<Paladine> night bro

<brobostigon> night Paladine

<d3ngar> I'm going to try a reboot on the older kernel, but very sceptic...

<d3ngar> see ya guys, thanks for the help!

<light__> anyone home

<andylockran> yup

<andylockran> just got in.

<webpigeon_laptop> yeah

<webpigeon_laptop> the light__ is on and people are home :P

<andylockran> wahey

<webpigeon_laptop> andylockran, how are you?

<andylockran> webpigeon_laptop: I'm awesome.. though currently blind

<webpigeon_laptop> andylockran, whys that?

<andylockran> the light__s just gone out.

<andylockran> poor joke - how's you?

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<webpigeon_laptop> andylockran, i'm alright thanks

<andylockran> I'm pleased - got over 100 hits on my hop farm festival review y'day

<andylockran> by analytics count,rather than mine own.

<webpigeon_laptop> \o/

<webpigeon_laptop> thats cool :)

<andylockran> yeah, nice to know people are reading it - would be better to have a few comments tho.

<andylockran> right - off to bed

<andylockran> night all!

<andylockran> night webpigeon_laptop

<webpigeon_laptop> night andylockran :)

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Gran Canaria and Akademy - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4015

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<ndf> i have a usb hdd that wasn't unmounted on windows properly, is using 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1/ /media/external -o force' a bad idea?

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<iMatter> How would i go about with a simple script that reads a text file or something and then cuts up every 140 characters and makes a new file for that appending an appropriate 1 2 3 etc?

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<dmsaruman> I've been having some problems regarding virtualization of a pre-existing install of Windows XP using both VMWare and VirtualBox

<dmsaruman> anybody interested?

<ianto> dmsaruman: It is 5:42am in the UK, perhaps you will get more help in #ubuntu :)

<ianto> *5:54am

<knightwise> morning

<dmsaruman> k. sorry to wake you ;)

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<alanbell> morning

<TheOpenSourcerer> Ooooh - Google Chrome OS... http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html

<knightwise> REPENT REPENT .. For the end of privacy is near ! ! !!

<TheOpenSourcerer> lol

<knightwise> hehehe :)

<TheOpenSourcerer> It does sound really cool though. A "new" OS and another nail in MS' coffin.

<knightwise> maybe more a nail in linux"s coffin

<knightwise> however , another competitor to MS is never a bad thing

<knightwise> TheOpenSourcerer: what do you use as a command line based editor ?

<knightwise> nano ? vi ?

<em1> morning

<Saj0577> morning

<sophtpaw> TheOpenSourcerer, i didn't know you were such an optimist :)

<TheOpenSourcerer> Huh?

<sophtpaw> A "new" OS and another nail in MS' coffin.

<TheOpenSourcerer> lol

<TheOpenSourcerer> This is a great headline: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/

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<TheOpenSourcerer> I'm just finishing a quick blog post on it. I do see a potential problem for Google...

<knightwise> lets not get all hyped up about this , this is not the end-all of microsoft ...

<TheOpenSourcerer> knightwise: indeed. Ever the realist ;-)

<livingdaylight> another os is less of a nail in its coffin as a piece of gum at the end of its shoe

<livingdaylight> remember linux on eeepc was gonna be the end of microsoft and how easily they dealt with that

<TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, but Google has *money*.

<TheOpenSourcerer> Linux doesn't.

<livingdaylight> Google has lots of monay :)

<TheOpenSourcerer> or indeed "loads-o-monay"

<AlanBellOnBB> loadsamoney

<AlanBellOnBB> look at my wad

<knightwise> doesn't matter about money

<knightwise> its about FUD too

<knightwise> and its gonna have to be one hellovan OS to convice the average user.

<livingdaylight> is google os completely open source?

<AlanBellOnBB> any improvement in awareness that alternative operating systems exist is good

<TheOpenSourcerer> MS basically bought off the netbook manufacturers.

<knightwise> thats what i like to know

<TheOpenSourcerer> Either with incentives or threats.

<knightwise> thats true , 'works better with MS" .. BAH !

<TheOpenSourcerer> Look at what happened to Asus in Taiwan recently.

<AlanBellOnBB> android is a linux based operating system

<knightwise> but its good we get a competitor

<TheOpenSourcerer> Anyway: Here we go then: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-os/. Before the planets pick it up.

<knightwise> but this COULD mean nasty times ahead for the linux desktop market

<livingdaylight> knightwise, very true

<TheOpenSourcerer> Chrome OS is Linux apparently.

<TheOpenSourcerer> You mean Ubuntu desktop market

<livingdaylight> yes, but it wont say that explicitly

<livingdaylight> people do not associate Google with LInux... this will further marginalize linux imo

<TheOpenSourcerer> But it will further promote FOSS.

<livingdaylight> people looking for an alternative os will choose google os before trying Ubuntu for eg, no?

<AlanBellOnBB> it might make the Canonical OEM team job a little harder

<knightwise> hmm , depents what they "get" with their computer

<livingdaylight> is google os FOSS ?

<TheOpenSourcerer> Google Chrome OS is an open source, lightweight operating system that will initially be targeted at netbooks. Later this year we will open-source its code, and netbooks running Google Chrome OS will be available for consumers in the second half of 2010… … We have a lot of work to do, and we’re definitely going to need a lot of help from the open source community to accomplish this vision. We’re excited for what’s to come and we hope y

<knightwise> if google chrome has fantastic support for google apps but has to throw google spreadsheat at the user as an excell alternative ... we"re gonna see some disappointed faces among the noobs

<AlanBellOnBB> but overall a competitive market for operating systems would be a good thing

<knightwise> true , allthough by medio next year , windows 7 will have settled in nicely

<livingdaylight> if google is opensource how come there still isn't a decent version of Chrom for linux after over a year ?

<TheOpenSourcerer> knightwise: I wonder...

<TheOpenSourcerer> Recession, no-one has any cash.

<AlanBellOnBB> what is wrong with google spreadsheets?

<livingdaylight> windows 7 is gonna be a hit

<livingdaylight> people rejected vista, but that won't be the case for vista

<TheOpenSourcerer> In the enterprise space it won't happen for at least a year.

<knightwise> Alan, depends if you get a excell file sent by a friend with more the 24 columns

<livingdaylight> *win7 lol

<TheOpenSourcerer> No *monay*

* AlanBellOnBB has no friends

<AlanBellOnBB> who have Excel

<livingdaylight> AlanBellOnBB, that can be read in two different ways :)

<AlanBellOnBB> anyhow, bugs get fixed

<knightwise> AlanBellOnBB: not us , but the 'regular noobs'. Geeks like us are not the criticall mass that make markets tip

<AlanBellOnBB> 24 columns is enough for anyone

<knightwise> AlanBellOnBB: tell that to some excell hungry spreadsheeters

<TheOpenSourcerer> There's a sense of humour failure going on in here...

<TheOpenSourcerer> Bill Gates [famously] said something like "64K is enough for anyone."

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Lord] Google Chrome OS - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-os/

<AlanBellOnBB> 640k I think

<TheOpenSourcerer> Right then. Time to go I think.

<TheOpenSourcerer> See you shortly.

<popey> 08:10:57 < TheOpenSourcerer> Bill Gates [famously] said something like "64K is enough for anyone."

<alanbell> he didn't actually say that did he?

<alanbell> 640k even

<popey> nope

<popey> 3g dropped before I could say it

<livingdaylight> “Life is not fair; get used to it.”

<livingdaylight> a lot of people have said this no doubt, Bill Gates among them apparently

<livingdaylight> i don't know if it is a quote as much as an observation of how it seems to be

<livingdaylight> http://thinkexist.com/quotes/bill_gates/

<popey> the 640k one is supposed to be a direct quote, and it's a myth

<popey> he said so himself

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<mrben> morning all

<l0C0> morning mrben

<popey> lo

<davmor2> morning mrben :)

<DJones> Morning folks

<em1> morning guys

<brobostigon> good morning all, everyone ok and happy?

<livingdaylight> Who is this Michael Jackon I'be been hearing about?

<brobostigon> mornings livingdaylight

<brobostigon> ok, any ideas about this error from mpd when i try and play some music. please

<brobostigon> Jul 08 09:05 : Cannot connect to server in PulseAudio output "My MPD PulseAudio Output": Access denied

<brobostigon> Jul 08 09:05 : problems opening audio device while playing "uupc_s02e08_low.ogg"

<czajkowski> Aloha

<j0nr> morning all

<brobostigon> mornings czajkowski and j0nr

<j0nr> how do brobostigon

<j0nr> ?

<brobostigon> j0nr: i am getting annoyed, if you scroll up abit, i am having mpd/pulseaudio issues.

<brobostigon> j0nr: and alittle hungover, how about you?

<Paul2> http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/slideshow/photos-video-iphones-app-boneyard-roll-call-rejected-applications # apple are such killjoys.

<Paul2> in similar news, I didn't realise Apple iphone apps store licensed the 'one click payment' patent from Amazon. Wonder how much that cost?

<j0nr> brobostigon: not too bad. One of those nights where you wake up in the exact position you fell asleep in

<brobostigon> j0nr: sounds good.:)

<j0nr> also spent the night with two pussies

<brobostigon> hehe, :)

<brobostigon> j0nr: that statement is very open to misinterpretation.

<j0nr> brobostigon: intentional :p

<j0nr> my new kittens...

<brobostigon> j0nr: ok, :)

<Daviey> Goooooooooooooood Moooooooooooooooooooooorning Viet^D United Kingdom

<czajkowski> Daviey: aloha

<Daviey> hey czajkowski

<brobostigon> morning Daviey

<Daviey> Trust everyone keeping well?

* brobostigon hates having a headache.

<Daviey> :(

<czajkowski> All good. half way through the week.

<brobostigon> Daviey: alcohol induced headache.

<Daviey> ahh, no hugs then

* brobostigon feels ashamed now. :(

<iMatter> Ktorrent Icons aren't working properly just showing generic papers which makes it hard to use, i ran in terminal and i got this repeated a few times and then ktorrent didn't launch, kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found

<knightwise> i have come to the sad conclusion that 64 percent of people on facebook are retarded in some way or form.

<iMatter> :S

<knightwise> and i'm somehow stuck with the other 36 percent

<popey> bah

<popey> stupid trains

<Darael> Good morning, everyone

<CafeNinja> moo

<czajkowski> popey: at least yer train network runs on time !

<dutchie> how does one route traffic from one interface to another?

<brobostigon> morning CafeNinja and Daviey and popey

<brobostigon> and czajkowski and dutchie

<dutchie> morning brobostigon

<brobostigon> and Darael

<dutchie> and others

<brobostigon> yes

<CafeNinja> hey brobostigon popey knightwise and everyone else who is in the /names list who I didn't pull up :)

<AlanBellOnBB> dutchie google ip forwarding

<knightwise> hey popey

<knightwise> hey CafeNinja

<knightwise> and the rest

<brobostigon> hey knightwise

<Darael> 'ey up, knightwise

<knightwise> as i said this morning : REPENT REPENT .. the end of privacy is near ! !

<Darael> imminent death of the net predicted...

<knightwise> i thought they burried the interwebs along with MJ

<knightwise> but it was stil there this morning so ..

<Darael> oh, dear, oh, dear

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<brobostigon> yay, fixed, mpd playing uupc, :)

<brobostigon> ok, see you chaps and gals later, i am going to go visit mind,

<daubers> Morning

<base10k> Morning all, I'm having trouble trying to use the linux release of the piePhone unlocking tool "redsn0w". I get the error "error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" but i have installed libwxbase2.8-0 and libwxgtk2.8-0 http://pastebin.ca/1487951

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<andylockran> morning

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* daubers ponders running an ethernet cable down to the shed

<yaMatt> ethernet over power?

<daubers> yaMatt: The shed is on it's own ring

<yaMatt> doesnt seem to affect it

<daubers> Damn well should do! I certainly don't want my data going past the fusebox!

<base10k> Just get some tough cabling, cheaper than the ethernet adapters

<yaMatt> my router is connected to one on the main ring downstairs, and im on the upstairs one

<base10k> and most of the tough stuff is 8 pair so your shed can have two gigabit links :)

<popey> daubers: most of those devices do leak

<popey> mine have encryption though

<matti> ;]

<Paul2> I think the powerline things enforce encryption as it will leak to your neighbours as well

<Paul2> Althoght I have never used them myself

<popey> mine dont

<popey> its optional

<popey> and there is a linux tool for setting the keys

<Paul2> Oh. Ok.

<Paul2> Well anyone who has them I strongly recommend they encrypt them

<Laney> Anyone running 2.6.31 have problems with usb devices?

<daubers> I think I'll just run some ethernet cable!

<popey> define problems

<Laney> (mass storage)

<Laney> won't mount

<popey> you get a password prompt?

<Laney> no

<yaMatt> they do leek data, but it is encrypted

<popey> yaMatt: as I said, not by default

<popey> yaMatt: you can set an encryption key though

<daubers> It'll be cheaper to run ethernet cable though.... it's only so I can connect my weather station to the network!

<Paul2> wifi router in shed?

<popey> i have 2xethernet running to my garage :)

<daubers> Paul2: Tree's in path == signal rubbishness

<popey> how much bandwidth does it need?

<ali1234> base10k: the missing files are part of libwxgtk2.8

<yaMatt> popey, true, and on the netgear ones you need to install the windows software to change it

<Paul2> ^^ that and also, you must have a nice large garden, jealous :)

<daubers> not a lot, but the box I'm going to use to do the weather station stuff is also my dhcp server.....

<yaMatt> it was just a suggestion :)

<popey> yaMatt: i recommend the develo ones then :)

<popey> they have a "compatible with linux" sticker on the box :)

<base10k> ali1234: cheers but i have already installed that "but i have installed libwxbase2.8-0 and libwxgtk2.8-0"

<popey> and have linux based software for managing them

<ali1234> base10k: are you sure you installed 2.8 not 2.6

<daubers> Paul2: Yeah, I'm not sure it'll run down 50m of garden + tree's + other stuff

<yaMatt> popey, thats pretty cool

<popey> ali1234: with respect to our conversation yesterday about bug #1.. google OS ? :)

<ubot4> popey: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out

<ali1234> popey: android?

<popey> ali1234: no, the announcement they made about their netbook OS

<daubers> what's bug #2?

<base10k> ali1234: "libwxgtk2.8-0 is already the newest version."

<ali1234> base10k: so do you have /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0

<base10k> ali1234: yes its there

<ali1234> base10k: i see the problem. you're using 64 bit arn't you

<base10k> yup

<ali1234> base10k: you need to install the 32 bit version of wx libs

<base10k> :D

<Paul2> daubers: you sure you need a weather station any? I'll just set up a cron job to echo 'raining' every hour if you like?

<base10k> ali1234: using getlibs by any chance?

<ali1234> base10k: dunno how, i don't have 64 bit. but probably, if you have used it for that before

<daubers> Paul2: I want the pressure data more than anything else, got a little toy I'm playing with

<base10k> ali1234: cheers, its starting now :)

<KrisWillis> Just got my new disks delivered - Burnt off an alternate install CD, but can't figure out how to set-up RAID... Any ideas?

<popey> why alternate? I thought you were going to boot to the live cd and copy over using that?

<popey> or are you doing a clean install?

<mgdm> anyone here tried Moblin?

<mgdm> (on a netbook, presumably)

<Ng> mgdm: I played with suse's moblin remix

<Ng> it was pretty confusing, I found

<Ng> the little wobbly icons at the top don't really look like they mean something so you have to mouseover them a lot to find things by tooltip

<Guest66169> "Yes there is specific reason why I wanted it installed. My brother is having trouble getting a internet connection, we were told to install Internet Explorer then we would get a connection."

<popey> http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=443

<Guest66169> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/73474

<popey> :S

<Ng> popey: why the :S ?

<popey> the answers thing

<The_Toxic_Mite> Morning guys

<The_Toxic_Mite> :)

<The_Toxic_Mite> Just went up to Aldi and bought some sunglasses

<Ng> oh

<Ng> I thought you were sad about the CC ;)

<popey> haha, no, just saw that in another channel so spammed it

<Ng> vote for me! ;)

<popey> No u!

<popey> I mean me!

<popey> :)

<Ng> I'd vote for you if I was an ubuntu member

<popey> damnit

<popey> aww, you say the nicest things

<Ng> but I'm not, so hah! in your face popey!

<Laney> gonna stand?

<popey> scissors-face

* jpds uses his motu-council powers to add Ng to ~motu.

<Laney> HAX!

* popey uses his emea-membership-board powers to add Ng to ~ubuntumembers

<popey> :)

<Ng> popey: ctrl-shift-u 2701 ctrl-shift-u 263b space

<popey> Laney: if asked, yeah, why not

<jpds> Ng: Hahaha, awesome!

<base10k> KrisWillis: Your going to need to install mdadm and lvm2

<base10k> KrisWillis: what level of raid are you trying to create

<Ng> popey: jpds: I have LP powers, I'll just remove myself ;)

<popey> base10k: why lvm2?

<jpds> Ng: You duckie you!

<Ng> quack

<popey> wuff

* daubers should go dig out his suit in a minute

<popey> why does the osx terminal go Wuff Wuff, on ^G?

<popey> daubers: going swimming?

<Ng> popey: ^G is bell

<daubers> popey: Its the system bell, you can change it in the preferences

<daubers> popey: Job interview

<popey> yeah, I know _that_

<popey> why Wuff wuff

<Ng> it has to be better than *BEEP*

<daubers> 'cause OSX is supposed to be cute and cuddly?

<popey> well dude, wear some clothes, swimming suit is totally in appropriate

<base10k> popey: lvm isnt essential, just i prefer to use it

<daubers> I just polished my shoes, and my hands, and my jeans, and the table apparently, so that's good :)

* The_Toxic_Mite is EXTREMELY annoyed at his mother :@

<jpds> Ng: So, use your LP powers to vote? :)

<base10k> The_Toxic_Mite: awww

<czajkowski> daubers: and dont go in reaking of smoke or too much after shave

<The_Toxic_Mite> My wee brother fell and banged his tooth on the path

<popey> ooo, interview top tims

<popey> *tips

<The_Toxic_Mite> she asked someone to get a bit of tissue

<popey> daubers: dont sit on the desk

<Ng> jpds: hehe

<The_Toxic_Mite> I thought she was asking my sister

<The_Toxic_Mite> then she gets p***ed off at me because I "ignored her"

<popey> The_Toxic_Mite: is your sisters name 'someone' ?

<The_Toxic_Mite> Nope

<The_Toxic_Mite> Daisy

<popey> awww

<daubers> oh dear

<The_Toxic_Mite> She didn't say a name

<The_Toxic_Mite> so I didn't get up

<popey> "someone" implies everyone

<popey> or rather "everyone figure out who is going to do it amongst yourselves, I am busy"

<popey> IME

<jpds> The_Toxic_Mite: Is your name 'someone'?

<popey> oh the joys of being a kid

<The_Toxic_Mite> Nope

<popey> oh, a point I may have missed jpds, good catch

<The_Toxic_Mite> jpds: /whois The_Toxic_Mite

<popey> 11:43:34 [freenode] -!- The_Toxic_Mite [n=calvinps@host86-137-233-215.range86-137.btcentralplus.com]

<popey> 11:43:34 [freenode] -!- ircname : Someone

<popey> hmm, odd

<The_Toxic_Mite> popey: you made that up!

<The_Toxic_Mite> Lol

<The_Toxic_Mite> My name is Calvin Smith

<The_Toxic_Mite> remember the old nick, calvinps?

<The_Toxic_Mite> that's me

<popey> Humour.

<The_Toxic_Mite> fail

<The_Toxic_Mite> So, my brother's lost his first tooth

<The_Toxic_Mite> ... the hard way

<The_Toxic_Mite> :(

<The_Toxic_Mite> Soooo hows everyone today?

<The_Toxic_Mite> =)

<The_Toxic_Mite> Hi Darael

<Darael> Hello, Mite

<Paladine> wow almost 3/4s of a million phorm shares dumped this morning

<Paladine> and the markets have only been open 4 hours

<CaMason> xD

* daubers enjoys a nice cuppa

<daubers> I definatley need some new shirts and trousers though.... or to lose some weight

<gord> i need those evil looking clouds to stop threatening me, i need milk dang it!

<Guest66169> what effect will this have on the EURCHF?

* Paladine is finding it very difficult to walk today after damaging his feet quite severly yesterday

<daubers> Ooooh, wookey hole are advertising for a witch, at £50k not a bad wage either http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8138665.stm

<Vroomfondle> I reckon I could find my way around a dream-catcher for 50k

<popey> lol

<daubers> Vroomfondle: But can you supply your own broom?

<Vroomfondle> I think I'd technically be a warlock. Do warlocks use brooms?

<Vroomfondle> I can probably build myself a staff

<popey> roll a d20

<Vroomfondle> heh

<Paladine> I was born on Halloween, the job should automatically go to me

* popey goes GNNNNGNGGGGGG @ Halloween

<Paladine> popey, my face doesn't allow me to recreate your expression there lol

<daubers> lol

<Paladine> hehehe someone sold 5 shares in Phorm earlier lol

* daubers should offsky to the train station shortly

<dutchie> if I do route add -net ..., will it stay there after a reboot?

<ali1234> no

<ali1234> use the network manager thingy

<dutchie> on a cli server?

<dutchie> don't worry, found http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/how-to-add-a-persistent-route-in-debian-linux-623771/

<ali1234> dutchie: even on a CLI server you can use ssh -X to run gui apps on some other display

<ali1234> though in this case editing that file per the url is better

<mgdm> ali1234: on a CLI server the apps probably aren't installed :)

<ali1234> not hard to install them

<dutchie> what's the equivalent to /etc/network/interfaces on trixbox?

<ali1234> what is trixbox based on?

<mgdm> dutchie: /etc/sysconfig/network

<popey> redhat isnt it?

<mgdm> yeah, it's centos

<popey> ew

<dutchie> mgdm: thanks

<ali1234> ew indeed

<mgdm> dutchie: there's a whole bunch of stuff in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts, too

<ali1234> speaking of asterisk, i just remembered i bought a voip box on ebay the other day

<ali1234> kind of a shame i threw out my old rotary dial phone, that would have been a cool thing to use with it

<ali1234> althoght it probably only supports touch-tone

<jpds> popey: What does Chris have to do with Halloween?

* dutchie has finished setting up a VPN \o/

<selinuxium> hi all o/

<popey> lo

<Nafallo> morning popey

<Nafallo> ehrm. selinuxium even

<selinuxium> :) Not sure who would be more insulted... :)

* pmt_ is brobostigon's alterego

<pmt_> karmic alpha2 on an acer aspire one works really well. :)

<ali1234> popey: chrome OS looks interesting, but it isn't a traditional desktop OS, therefore it is irrelevant to bug one. if you modified bug one to include devices like chrome OS netbooks, you could close it today. that is why it is flawed.

<popey> i think you're taking bug 1 far too literally

<ubot4> popey: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out

<pmt_> ok, see you all later. i will report back, when i get home, further on 9.10 alpha2 on aspire one.

<ali1234> popey: the only way you could modify bug one to be both internally consistent and literally true is if you said "Microsoft has a majority share of computers designed to run Microsoft software." but when you state it like that it becomes kind of obvious why it will never be closed :)

<The_Toxic_Mite> Hi

<The_Toxic_Mite> :)

<andylockran> Gnugke Linux eh?

<andylockran> Gnugle Linux

<The_Toxic_Mite> andylockran: wut

* The_Toxic_Mite just had minestrone cup-a-soup and a honey sandwich for lunch

<popey> Paladine: i see talktalk dropped phorm too

<ali1234> The_Toxic_Mite: chrome OS... it's linux, running a full screen web browser. basically a thin client for google.

<Paladine> popey, aye

<The_Toxic_Mite> ali1234: I knew that. I said "wut" at the way andylockran spelt "Google"

<The_Toxic_Mite> :P

<popey> again, humour The_Toxic_Mite

<Paladine> on monday actually despite the news only hitting press today

<popey> you might want to get some

<andylockran> It's the first time you can crow-bar 'gnu' into a distribution title and it not sound _that_ out of place :)

<Paladine> the news today is just reporting on Phorm's RNS announcement confirming TT have bailed

<Paladine> but Charles Dunstone (CPW CEO) made the announcement Monday night

<Paladine> the interesting thing with TT is I think they are now the largest UK ISP since buying tiscali and they have actually terminated their contract with Phorm whereas BT have just said they have no plans to deploy it

<q8skate> hiiiii

<TheOpenSourcerer> BBC Radio 4's midday news bulletin discussed Google Chrome OS. How's that for brand power. They only posted a blog article. :-)

<The_Toxic_Mite> haha

<q8skate> guys.. did anyone read about GOOGLE CHROME OS

<popey> oh jeez

*** ChanServ sets mode: +o popey

<TheOpenSourcerer> lol

<The_Toxic_Mite> q8skate: Yeah

<q8skate> TheOpenSourcerer: do you think ubuntu and the other distros will be affected?

*** popey changes topic to "Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived for reference / openness: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/ | Mailing List: http://tinyurl.com/uukml | FAQ: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | For Official support #ubuntu | Next Meeting: TBA | English speakers of the world untie! | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/GlobalJam09 | Yes, we know about Google Chrome OS"

*** popey sets mode: -o popey

<q8skate> The_Toxic_Mite: i hate mites... and bed bugs ;p

<dutchie> Paladine: which ISPs actually use phorm now?

<Paladine> non

<Paladine> non ever have

<TheOpenSourcerer> q8skate: Not today. No.

<The_Toxic_Mite> popey, how and why did you get ChanOp status?

<Paladine> BT did 3 trials is all

<dutchie> oh

<Paladine> but TalkTalk, BT and VM had a "Memorandum of Understanding"

<popey> The_Toxic_Mite: why not? :)

<Paladine> allowing them to consider Phorm's technology and run trials

<popey> I am not the only one, there are numerous people who are channel ops here

<popey> Paladine: so are we just waiting for VM to issue a stetement now?

<TheOpenSourcerer> All hail popey

<q8skate> google OS will have a negative impact on linux.. dont u think?

<Paladine> popey, well VM are still sitting firmly on the fence. They announced last week that they were still considering Phorm but were looking at the wider market at Phorm's competitors as well - and in a statement after BT dumped Phorm on Monday, they reiterated that previous statement

<The_Toxic_Mite> q8skate: Not in my humble opinion

<ali1234> q8skate: considering that it is linux, that would mean it would have a negative impact on itself

<The_Toxic_Mite> ali1234: exactly

<q8skate> oh i didnt know that.. i thought they said they were redesigning the OS ... but i just know that is it Open Source

<Paladine> popey, I think it is possible we will see VM withdraw, but they are in a less precarious position being cable as opposed to ADSL so less risk of customers bailing if they go ahead with it

<ali1234> it might have a negative impact on kde and gnome... but more likely some good competition would improve them both

<Paladine> my experience with VM customers iss it takes a great deal to get them to consider leaving cable and going back to adsl

<ali1234> Paladine: usually "your new house isn't in our cabled area" is the only thing :)

<Paladine> popey you are on VM right?

<popey> yes

<Paladine> would you leave if they deployed Phorm?

<popey> no

<Paladine> case in point

<andylockran> Could probably get away with secure ssh proxy to remote server though.

<andylockran> wouldn't that get around it Paladine ?

<popey> i wouldnt even bother doing that

<Paladine> andy, yeah but most people wouldn't have the means or knowledge to do that

<popey> part of their goal is to deliver contextual ads.. I cant remember the last time I saw an advert

<popey> so whether they are contextual or not matters little to me

<popey> and in itself is very similar to other ad networks (dpi stuff aside)

<Paladine> it is not the ads we are campaigning about, it is the interception, mirroring and profiling of all non encrypted web communications

<popey> sure, I understand that

<popey> but that doesn't bother me

<Paladine> aye

<popey> was just saying the only thing that _would_ bother me is the ads, which I wont see anyway :)

<popey> but I can appreciate why _others_ dont like it

<Paladine> and a lot of VM customers that I talk to would not give up 20+ mb/s because of it either

<popey> and more power to them :)

<popey> yeah, going back to ADSL is not an option I would relish

<Paladine> but to be honest it matters not, I expect Phorm to be delisted on AIM before the month is out

<popey> even if the DSL provider said it didnt use phorm

<popey> yeah, well done :)

<andylockran> AIM ?

<Paladine> I appreciate the thanks but really it is the general public who are responsible, I may have steered the campaign but without all their letter writing and support Phorm would already be deployed

<Paladine> andy, the stock market which Phorm are listed on

<popey> sure, but a lot of people are lazy, they need someone to tell them explicitly what to do

<Paladine> well work continues for me anyway

<dutchie> a lot of people haven't even heard of phorm

<Paladine> now I am with Privacy International I have an unending task list

<Paladine> we need to make moves to protect emerging economies from DPI since many of them don't hjave adequate or in some cases any privacy laws to protect them

<Paladine> with Phorm trying to move into Asia it is oibvious they seek to exploit these markets

<Paladine> they can't go to Can, US, EU, Aus, NZ, SA

<Paladine> but some regions of south america and much of asia are wide open to exploitation

<Paladine> not to mention India

<Paladine> places like Thailand where any company can launch a product if they line the pockets of the right politicians, are a concern

<zleap> some how i am not sure if india will take the debate tehre are a lot of clever people there who will see the true nature of phorm

<Paladine> zleap, yes there are, but the political system is utterly corrupt

<Paladine> and their privacy laws are nothing like robust enough

<zleap> hmm, find me a political system that isn't in someway

<zleap> what about UK privacy laws

<zleap> we have more cctv than anywhere in the world aparently but making people feel save, punishing criminals is not what we are good at

<Paladine> zleap there is a difference between western economies where politicians can be pursuaded by lobbies and contributions of some thousands (maybe tens of thousands) compared to India where politicians can be blatently bought for the right price

<zleap> great fim you being mugged then give the mugger a slap on the wrist and a holidy to help his self esteem

<zleap> ok i see your point

<Paladine> zleap, UK privacy laws are going to change, they should actually be ok now the problem is not the laws it is getting them enforced

<zleap> yeah,

<Paladine> which is why the EU have taken legal action against the UK over Phorm

<zleap> ah

<zleap> given how hard it is to organise meetings or get somewhere to meet, its hard to educate people on phorm

<Paladine> well thankfully I have managed to get the press on board over the past 18 months so it has been easier to raise awareness

<zleap> is there a site like openalliance.org which info on why phorm is bad, but written in laymans terms

<Paladine> zleap, inphormationdesk.org

<Paladine> but also our FAQ on nodpi.org

<Paladine> our site gets close to 1 million hits per month which would indicate that awareness is reasonably wide spread

<zleap> cool

<Paladine> not to mention the EU received thousands of letters of complaint making it one of their most significant issues in history

<zleap> i will add a link

<zleap> where are you based exactly

<Paladine> I am based in Lancaster

<zleap> ah, i am in devon

<zleap> i am trying to arrange more formal meets for the devon and cornwall lug, it would benice to have someone give a talk on all this

<Paladine> we have a pretty busy forum if you need to ask some question I am sure the answers will be forthcoming

<Paladine> or you can just ask me

<zleap> k

<zleap> well i will add a link to my website, not quite sure where yet though

* kecskebak finally understands .desktop files

<Paladine> thanks sorry was grabbing my lunch

<Paladine> hotdogs and scrambled egg :)

<TheAshMan> hey guys, if i have mysql running on my server, how can i access a database remotely? so not from the same machine>

<Paladine> TheAshMan you can configure it to be accessed remotely via a console using MySQL Client or you can use a web based management system like PHPMyAdmin

<mgdm> PHPMyAdmin is pretty good but for the love of all that may or may not be holy make sure you lock it down

<Vroomfondle> to do it via the client you just have to allow access for 'username'@'host'

<Vroomfondle> assuming there aren't any firewalls etc. in the way

<TheAshMan> i have PMA installed, but i want to access the db from a remote application

<popey> there's a current bug in phpmyadmin

<Laney> just one?

<popey> well, a current security one

<Laney> :)

<popey> which seems to have a few people itching

<Paladine> TheAshMan then you need to setup your grant table to allow access from 'user'@'host' as already explained, make sure the port is not blocked in the host's firewall

<Laney> it had a security upload on Sunday

<Laney> didn't that squash it?

<Laney> 9 CVE fixes in the Hardy upload

<Paladine> TheAshMan, I would recommend you change the listening port in the mysql config too just in case your database is not completely locked down to avoid casual port sniffers trying to brute force it

<TheAshMan> Paladine, tight. how do i test if my mysql port is open on my server?

<Laney> christ

<Laney> I recommend you do not open your mysql to the web

<Paladine> TheAshMan, try and connect to it :)

<Paladine> I forget what the default listening port is

<TheAshMan> lol. durrr

<Laney> 3306

<Paladine> Laney, I agree actually, if someone absolutely needs to access it with a remote client, I am sure it could be done via a tunnel

<Laney> I bet there's a better way of doing whatever it is that requires mysql to be open

<TheAshMan> probably. i'm not sure i even need it open yet. for now i'll leave it closed

<Paladine> I'd support that bet

<andylockran> gah - mislaid my camera...

<andylockran> and absolutely no idea where it could be..

<TheOpenSourcerer> Did everyone notice the firstname of Google's Engineering Dir.?

<TheOpenSourcerer> Linus.

<TheOpenSourcerer> Lol

<TheOpenSourcerer> I've been quoted :-) http://www.techworld.com/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=118771

<kecskebak> Come to #ubuntu-uk and rub shoulders with the rich and famous! Well done TheOpenSourcerer!

<TheOpenSourcerer> Who's rich then kecskebak? Is that you then?

<kecskebak> Er no, sadly not. Unless you count apricots. I've got loads of them.

<TheOpenSourcerer> Apricots are nice. Though not that valuable.

<TheOpenSourcerer> Well it ain't me...

<TheOpenSourcerer> Yet.

<TheOpenSourcerer> :-)

<popey> they are in Animal Crossing on the DS

<popey> you can sell them for money and buy other stuff :)

<TheOpenSourcerer> What are?

<TheOpenSourcerer> Apricots?

<popey> yup

<kecskebak> I only got twenty quid for three crates yesterday. If only I had known...

<TheOpenSourcerer> Got you new toy yet?

<TheOpenSourcerer> s/you/your

<popey> sadly not

<popey> you?

<TheOpenSourcerer> no.

<TheOpenSourcerer> :-)

<TheOpenSourcerer> :-(

<popey> no idea what it will be even!

<TheOpenSourcerer> Me neither.

<TheOpenSourcerer> I like surprises though.

<popey> heh

<popey> bet whatever it is it comes with xp

<TheOpenSourcerer> Good Podcast BTW

<popey> thanks!

<kecskebak> I scrubbed off Mono from my machine the day before yesterday - I won't upgrade to Koala until TheOpenSourcerer tells me how to scrub it off of that too. ;-)

<popey> it was a fun one to make

<TheOpenSourcerer> Enjoyed it. Liked the bit on Lappy security.

<TheOpenSourcerer> kecskebak: Thankyou.

<popey> \o/

<kecskebak> Have you got any metrics yet for how slow an encrypted partition is yet?

<popey> well

<selinuxium> popey: rtmpdump thingy... I have make / make installed with no errors... still no worky... Did you have to do anything else?

<popey> I have encrypted my home directory :)

<popey> selinuxium: i didnt make it

<popey> selinuxium: just grabbed a binary

<gord> surely numbers on how slow encrypted partitions are don't matter, its weather you notice or not that does

<selinuxium> popey: where from?

<kecskebak> gord: I agree, but you're still allowed to be curious

<TheOpenSourcerer> Jono espouses to proprietary s/w devs... http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2245599/ubuntu-manager-shares-thoughts

<TheOpenSourcerer> ping Daviey

<popey> crud

<popey> out of space on my vps

<popey> 2.5G disappeared

<TheOpenSourcerer> Ned to remove some pr0n popey!

<TheOpenSourcerer> s/Ned/Need

<popey> heh

<popey> i reckon a backup as run and erroneously backed up locally

<popey> cant find it tho

<selinuxium> popey: there is no 64bit bins of rtmpdump/flvstreamer that is can find...

<kirrus> jpds: now I am :)

<popey> selinuxium: http://popey.com/~alan/rtmpdump is the 32 bit one

<selinuxium> popey: will it install on my 64bit ?

* popey wonders if kirrus is happy due to PMA bugs being fixed?

<popey> its a binary selinuxium it should run

<popey> there is no install process

<selinuxium> popey: cheers

<kirrus> popey: Very happy. I did say thankyou on the bugreport ;)

<Guest66169> can one set up gmail to send sms alerts when an email arrives?

<kirrus> Guest66169: not as far as I am aware

<Guest66169> kirrus, k, thx

<ali1234> does anyone know a lossless video codec that supports interlacing, can be encoded by ffmpeg, and has a decoder available for windows?

* dutchie dislikes having to include semicolons after too much Python

<kirrus> popey: I preferred gerald, btw, for the ecosphere. Might have something to do with the company mascot being called "gerald". Our Giraffe :-)

<popey> ali1234: HuffYUV?

<ali1234> huffyuv is no good, ffmpeg produces v 2.2.0 files, for which no windows version exists. lagarith is also out, not supported by ffmpeg.

<popey> vlc can't play them on windows?

<ali1234> vlc is no use to me

<ali1234> i want to open in in after effects

<ali1234> therefore i require a directshow codec

<ali1234> or quicktime

<popey> you require local lunar body on long thin wooden holding device

<ali1234> as usual

<ali1234> ok what if i remove the ffmpeg requirement

<ali1234> i just need a lossless video codec that works with after effects and supports interlacing

<kirrus> popey: though it is interesting seeing what name it'll be called next :-)

<ali1234> lagarith i guess

<popey> kirrus: ?

<popey> ahh, sorry, gotcha

<popey> I still maintain Ecosphere is valid

<popey> the other guys dont like it

<selinuxium> popey: cheers, that got my running! :)

<kirrus> popey: ecosphere is valid - it describes what you're talking about well :-) .. I'm not sure the same can be said for gerald ;-)

<mgdm> I know a bloke called Gerald

<mgdm> he has a boat

<Ng> if only there was a word that we already widely used to describe the various people who make up Ubuntu and their efforts

<TheOpenSourcerer> Ubunteros :-)

<selinuxium> FTW!

<popey> Which is being phased out...

<selinuxium> popey: why's that?

<popey> bug 272826

<ubot4> Launchpad bug 272826 in ubuntu ""Ubuntero" inappropriate for female contributors" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272826

<czajkowski> eh

<rascal999> whats keyboard shortcut to open menu?

<rascal999> apps places system etc

<popey> ALT+F1

<rascal999> awesome thanks

<selinuxium> popey: I am trying to remember what is was before ubuntero...

<popey> it wasnt

<popey> it's always been ubuntero iirc

<popey> ubuntite perhaps?

<selinuxium> popey: Hmmm.... I thought there was another one back in the mists... Perhaps...

<selinuxium> Ubunteer?

<andylockran> umbongo

<popey> "it was originally ubuntite"

<popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2005/12/11/%23ubuntu-meeting.html

<Paul2> fosser

* selinuxium bows to popey's greater know...

<Paul2> not to be confused with tosser.

<dutchie> someone in the launchpad comments suggested "ubunt"

<popey> nah, just followed the link in the bug report

<gord> i have only ever been an ubuntero :(

<czajkowski> I prefer ubuntero

<popey> its hard to come up with a word that is non-gender-specific _and_ has "ubun" in it

<popey> - and sounds good in multiple accents / regions

<gord> ubunsaurus

<popey> RWAR!

<gord> then when you become a member you get to be an ubunsaurus-rex

<czajkowski> popey: I think some folks get too rallied up in that kind of thing and take away focus on the project.

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] The Google Chrome Key - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/07/08/the-google-chrome-key/

<popey> oh for sure czajkowski

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Redecorating – Before - http://blog.zrmt.com/2009/07/08/redecorating-before/

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Redecorating – Stripped Floor - http://blog.zrmt.com/2009/07/08/redecorating-stripped-floor/

<popey> but who gets to say what's a valid bug and what isnt?

<dutchie> popey: sabdfl?

<czajkowski> dutchie: mark shuttleworth

<popey> ultimately, possibly yes

<gord> i think he's a lil busy

<popey> czajkowski: i think he was offering that as a suggestion

* dutchie was

<czajkowski> oh righ

<TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh a triplet of blog posts.

<czajkowski> my bad

<popey> :)

<selinuxium> !logs

<ubot4> Channel logs can be found at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/

<TheOpenSourcerer> What's happeing in the cricket BTW?

<popey> selinuxium: thats only loco bot, the main #ubuntu channel is logged elsewhere

<TheOpenSourcerer> is there an #ashes

<dutchie> 162-3

<popey> there is #cricket on #irc.lug.org.uk

<popey> iirc

<dutchie> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/8138912.stm for live updates

<TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks dutchie

<Ng> popey: the word I had in mind wasn't ubunteros, it was "community" ;)

<popey> ooo get you

<czajkowski> popey: I just find it baffling folks getting wound up over a word. words mean differnt things in different languages. it's hard to please everyone.

<selinuxium> popey: cheers

* popey recalls a game for the Sinclair Spectrum that was written in the UK..

<popey> It was called Zob

<popey> they had to rename it because in france thats a bit rude

<popey> so they called it Zub

<popey> the loading screen has obviously been modified

<czajkowski> I'd get the rudeness bit

<czajkowski> Nafallo: ahoy!

<gord> i find it baffling that people get wound up over other people wanting a simple name change because they are a bit uncomfortable with it ;)

<Mez> Question: How the hell can someone recieve one set of paperwork, but not another, when they've been sent in the same envelope?

<Laney> localised fire

<popey> http://www.worldofspectrum.org/showscreen.cgi?screen=screens/load/z/gif/Zub.gif

<popey> :)

<czajkowski> very ping ball machine like

<gord> Mez: the inner workings of the royal mail are mysterious, i suspect witchcraft. and not for the first time.

<Mez> gord: I think it might also be "lies" at the recieving end.

<gord> Mez: my way is more fun

<Mez> Kinda convenient that they lost the details for the account they're meant to be paying to

<Nafallo> morning czajkowski

<Nafallo> wow. dmidecode does suck on cheap servers :-/

<Nafallo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/212805/

<Guest66169> there isn't really a pinball game for LInux

<alanbell> anyone know an equivalent to lshw on a fedora box?

<andylockran> lspci

<andylockran> obviously not ^ sorry

<andylockran> ah man, just run it and have got that same output on CentOS before - which I imagine is the same as fedora.

<andylockran> but the command escapes me.

<alanbell> yes, lspci is useful

<alanbell> I am trying to find out what the manufacturer/model number of the box is

<popey> lshw should be available on fedora

<popey> dmidecode?

<alanbell> ah, yum install lshw. Why didn't I think of that!

<popey> TheOpenSourcerer: you use songbird don't you?

<Laney> I thought he was a Banshee lover...

* Laney runs

<TheOpenSourcerer> Sometime I like the new notify

<TheOpenSourcerer> Sometiime it is distracting...

<popey> TheOpenSourcerer: do you use it to get podcasts?

<TheOpenSourcerer> yes I do use Songbird.

<TheOpenSourcerer> No.

<TheOpenSourcerer> It doesn't do podcasts yet.

<popey> it does

<TheOpenSourcerer> That is on the todo list

<TheOpenSourcerer> Does it?

<popey> yes

<Guest66169> no, SB doesn't do podcast

<popey> did when i last looked anyway

<TheOpenSourcerer> Prey tell me more...

* popey redownloads

<popey> i deleted it :)

<Guest66169> popey, that's what you said last time, but you weren't able to show

<Guest66169> TheOpenSourcerer, I like SB more now that i found the 'mini' and 'pure' addons

<TheOpenSourcerer> Guest66169: I haven't used those. I do use the Exorcist though.

<TheOpenSourcerer> What do they do>

<TheOpenSourcerer> s\>\?

<Guest66169> as mini suggest it minimalizes the player.. the pure addon does too but differently....

<Guest66169> TheOpenSourcerer, did you fill out the questionaire SB sent out?

<TheOpenSourcerer> Nope. Didn't get one.

<Guest66169> oh... yes, customer feedback questionnaire

<dutchie> anybody familiar with apache lucene?

<Guest66169> TheOpenSourcerer, that's how SB looks with the 'pure' skin http://img34.imageshack.us/i/screenshotced.png/

*** Guest66169 is now known as livingdaylight

<TheOpenSourcerer> livingdaylight: Nice :-)

<livingdaylight> TheOpenSourcerer, :)

<ball> Is it fair to file a bug against an app that won't run as a remote X client?

<ball> (it's a fairly ordinary app, doesn't do video or 3D)

<popey> ball: what app?

<ball> gwibber

<ball> (but I'm sure I've found others that are similarly deficient)

<popey> and it runs locally?

* ball nods

<popey> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/54725 hmm, songbird wont start

<Darael> popey: try a second time? I know it crashed the first time I ran it and was rock-solid after...

<popey> nope

<popey> fails every time

<Darael> oh.

<ball> hello jono

<jono> heya ball

*** Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch

<popey> livingdaylight / TheOpenSourcerer: whilst not pretty, go to any podcast xml url in songbird such as http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio/newspod/rss.xml and you will see at the bottom of the scren a nice download panel

<popey> so you _can_ download podcasts with it, it's not perfect, probably not what the final version will look like, but it is possible

<ukmisterm> lo all

<livingdaylight> popey: are you suggesting browsing to a podcast page from SB itself?

<livingdaylight> i got a huge bowl of cherries for a £ .... graze on that!

<kn100> lol

<kn100> aha!

<livingdaylight> lots of vitamin 'K' cherries - i think...

<kn100> lunarpages said what happened yesterday

<kn100> one of the servers messed up with a file system error, so they are migrating everything to a new server, as a result new speedy hardware xD

<kn100> oh and a free 500gb extra storage xD

<kn100> dreamweaver FTW

<popey> livingdaylight: yes

<ball> I'm going to delete this Morrissey song... whiney rubbish.

<livingdaylight> popey: i see... its not exactly a podcast player, but yes...

<popey> did you try it?

<livingdaylight> yes

<livingdaylight> listening to the news now

<popey> heh

<livingdaylight> its going off in China

<kn100> china ftw

<ball> kn100: ?

<kn100> lol i like china, very interesting country

*** cking_ is now known as cking

<ball> Oh sure, me too. I would like to go there one day. Current situation is suboptimal though.

<kn100> argh i have a php script, and i want it to run within a HTML page, it doesnt have to be a seperate file, any ideas?

<ball> though perhaps that's a question for #politics

<ball> kn100: an HTML page with php in it is a php script.

<kn100> right

<kn100> i used a premade script that was open source, all in php, no html pages, and modified it

<kn100> but now i want to put HTML round it, but it doesnt come out right

<ball> pastebin?

<kn100> http://nextra.lagosusa.com/test.html

<kn100> you can see the problem

<kn100> the original script is just PHP files

<kn100> i am trying to put the PHP script from the index.php file into a html page i created that looks nice

<ball> kn100: pastebin?

<kn100> erm k

<kn100> i found my own problem

<ball> kn100: ok

<kn100> lol i love it when you just realise like that

<brobostigon> good evening all, everyone and happy i trust?

<ball> brobostigon: sort of.

<brobostigon> ball: why?

<ball> brobostigon: Strange things going on in the world.

<brobostigon> ball: ah, what kind of strange happenings?

<ball> Riots in China, general mayhem.

<brobostigon> ok,

<ball> "cyber-attacks" on S. Korea and the U.S.

<ball> ...cat stuck in a tree.

<brobostigon> i finally think, i have mpd and pulseaudio cooperating,

<brobostigon> oh well.

<kn100> ball fact of life

<kn100> it happens

<kn100> if a neuclear bomb was fired at the UK, whats there to lose?

<kn100> your life, but then again, so does everyone else

<kn100> i would go out and watch it unless there was a bombshelter near

<ball> kn100: my family would die.

<ball> They will die anyway eventually, but that's not the preferred method.

<kn100> but dude, your dieing too, so essentially theres not that much to lose, and its pointless worrying over it

<kn100> if you spend your life worrying, you wont be living

<AlanBellOnBB> um . . . cheer up!

<ball> kn100: probably, though I'm in North America

<kn100> best you can do is treat your family well, and try and improve the world

<ball> It would be nice to see my family again. Perhaps I'm just dwelling on that because I dreamt of my village last night.

<kn100> your away from home?

* ball nods

<kn100> you going back soon?

<brobostigon> coming back?

* brobostigon has given up worrying.

<ball> kn100: I hope to visit Britain in the next couple of years.

<Treenaks> .. if they want you

<kn100> I am trying to tread carefully here, since i dont know your history ball

<The_Toxic_Mite> Evening guys

<brobostigon> good evening The_Toxic_Mite

<kn100> evening The_Toxic_Mite

<kn100> can gedit display line numbers?

<Ng> yes, it's in the preferences

<The_Toxic_Mite> brobostigon, kn100: :)

<kn100> found it

<kn100> yay

<brobostigon> The_Toxic_Mite: :)

<kn100> ok now i really dont know argh

<The_Toxic_Mite> I got a pair of sunglasses from Aldi's this morning

<kn100> erm this is confusing

<The_Toxic_Mite> kn100: Wat you try'na do?

<kn100> long story

<The_Toxic_Mite> k

<kn100> in a nutshell im trying to set up an image host

<kn100> i have a premade script but its annoying

<ball> kn100: are you new to php?

<kn100> very

<kn100> its an open source script so yeah

<kn100> i have a HTML page, and then i have this html page with php in it, i am trying to merge both together

<ball> It's not an HTML page with php in it, it's a php script.

<ball> kn100: I could help you with that.

<ball> ...probably

<ball> ...I'm no php expert, but I've used it in anger.

<kn100> well, i have a .html page, thats essentially a table with a banner, and a linkbar, and i have a .php file that has HTML in it as well, as its one entire page, i want to put whats in that page into the first one

<kn100> if you know what i am trying to say

<ball> Yes. That should be doable.

<ball> kn100: /msg me if you like.

* brobostigon has decided that he sucks,

* kn100 wishes he knew where to start with php

<AlanBellOnBB1> !karmic

<ubot4> Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1

<andylockran> kn100: what do you want to dowith it.

<andylockran> AlanBellOnBB1: what's with the new name ?

<andylockran> Big Brother 1 ?

* brobostigon has a chuckle at the line " Karmic WILL break"

<AlanBellOnBB1> do we know when in october?

<brobostigon> AlanBellOnBB1: yes, i have a release party planned, it needs to be on time.

<AlanBellOnBB1> BlackBerry

<andylockran> ah, ok.

<kn100> andylockran have an upload form, a person select an image, then that image to be uploaded to a directory on my server, and then the link to that image be spat out

<AlanBellOnBB1> what date?

<brobostigon> AlanBellOnBB1: 29th oct

<AlanBellOnBB1> ah ok

<brobostigon> AlanBellOnBB1: that was what was on the release schedule last time i looked.

<kn100> andylockran, how easy would that be in PHP

<AlanBellOnBB1> I was looking at the schedule of the RAT

<popey> AlanBellOnBB1: wiki kas KarmicReleaseSchedule

<popey> gives the date iirc

<brobostigon> yes, thats true, wiki rocks, popey also rocks.

<andylockran> kn100: probably not very difficult. Look for php image upload script on google :p but js may be a better answer.

<kn100> js would do this?

<kn100> ive never seen a javascript uploader before

<AlanBellOnBB1> anyone fancy an evening of beer and steam?

<AlanBellOnBB1> http://www.watercressline.co.uk/rat.htm

<popey> AlanBellOnBB1: o/

<AlanBellOnBB1> click the book now bit at the bottom to see available dates

<kn100> yeah well, i just found an epic simple image uploading script example, without any extras

<kn100> pefect xD

<AlanBellOnBB1> 17th october is reasonable but a week or two early for a Karmic launch tie-in

<popey> AlanBellOnBB1: 7/nov better :)

<popey> lots of tickets available

<AlanBellOnBB1> Or a pre-christmas 5th dec might be nice

<popey> only a week or so after release

<popey> maybe get cds to give out ;)

<popey> captive audience

<AlanBellOnBB1> oh yes, 7th nov would be fine

<AlanBellOnBB1> Free as in Beer

<AlanBellOnBB1> Only it isn't free

<popey> £2/pint

<popey> not to be sniffed at

<popey> tis a good evening out too

<AlanBellOnBB1> no, you drink it

<popey> hah

<popey> the chilli and curry isnt bad either

<popey> 2 quid also per portion

<AlanBellOnBB1> yup

<AlanBellOnBB1> proper English curry too- with raisins

<popey> :)

<kn100> http://pastebin.com/m52ac9a75

<kn100> \o/

<AlanBellOnBB1> this sounds like a plan

<TheOpenSourcerer> Count me in :-)

<TheOpenSourcerer> Got to go and put kiddies to bed.

<brobostigon> that reminds me, i need post the details of release party to mailing list, and add too ukteam on the wiki, if there is a release party listing.

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] The Eagles @ the NIA, Birmingham - http://blog.zrmt.com/2009/07/08/the-eagles-the-nia-birmingham/

<daubers> Evening

<brobostigon> evenings daubers :)

<ltgg> new user here: recently bought a removable hard drive, formatted it but cannot write to it as owner is 'root' ... how do I change this? running 9.04.

<windmill> Ubuntu one, the client won't start.... anyone got any idea why?

<DJones> windmill: it might be worth asking in #ubuntuone, its not a general fault as i've just been able to connect to my account

<windmill> DJones, cheers, I'll try it

<windmill> ok I tried it again with the --signup switch on the command line and it seg faulted, then I tried again and it worked.....

<kirrus> ltgg: can you open a terminal, (apps> accessories > terminal) and type "mount". Then paste the output here: http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org and let us know the link? :)

<mcombellack> use nick mcombellack

<mcombellack> use /nick mcombellack

<kirrus> everyone heading home or something? very quiet in here!

<brobostigon> i am having tea kirrus

<kirrus> brobostigon: that makes sense.. speaking of which..

<brobostigon> yes?

* kirrus heads off for tea ;)

<brobostigon> ah, :)

<brobostigon> evenings kn100 :)

<kn100> evening

<andylockran> man, I've been on a bit of a blogathon today :s hope you don't view it as spam (at least my final post is on-topic for the #ubuntu-uk planet)

<Ridders> hey guys

<brobostigon> evenings Ridders :)

<ali1234> ok now i'm thinking performance issues are caused by pulseaudio :(

<ali1234> since several apps dont seem to be able to make sound any more

* TheOpenSourcerer thinks its time to go t' pub.

<brobostigon> good move TheOpenSourcerer :)

<TheOpenSourcerer> Mrs TheOpenSourcerer has some lady friends over this evening.

<brobostigon> ah,

<TheOpenSourcerer> Laterz all

<brobostigon> bye bye TheOpenSourcerer

<kn100> Go get em TheOpenSourcerer :P

<brobostigon> :)

<mah_boi> hi al

<mah_boi> l;

<mah_boi> not been on here in ages

* brobostigon needs a new project to work on,

<kn100> i remember you mah_boi

<brobostigon> evenings mah_boi , welcome back.

* mah_boi blows off the dust

* brobostigon hands mah_boi a handheld hoover.

<mah_boi> yum

<matti> Heh

<mah_boi> oh btw all, i am telling all my friends, so i might as well tell you all as well, i am gonna just say it;

* kn100 laughs at brobostigions overuse of the /me command

<mah_boi> i am a furry.

<brobostigon> good evenings matti :)

<mah_boi> i have decided it to be so

* w0jrl is listening to the director of microsoft accessibility talk a lot of crap at the NFB convention

<mah_boi> lol

<kn100> mah_boy ewww furry

* brobostigon prods kn100

<kn100> go visit /g/

<kn100> :)

<brobostigon> mah_boi: furry?

<mah_boi> you know not of this word?

<kn100> LOL!

<kn100> brobostigon, you dont want to know

<brobostigon> a bear is furry

<kn100> but if you do i will message you

<mah_boi> what? just because we are the punching bags of the media

<kn100> do you want to know?

<mah_boi> and i don't do suiting, or anything like that, i just draw the art, and admire others.

<mah_boi> NON PORNOGRAPHIC MIND YOU

<brobostigon> go one, kn100, i obviously am thinking of the wrong meaning.

<mah_boi> plus i am only 14 so it was a tough decision

<mah_boi> there is also a furbuntu too

<mah_boi> lol

<ali1234> you've got to be kidding me

<brobostigon> furry?, arent some animals furry?

<mah_boi> what

<mah_boi> lol

<kn100> FURBUNTULOL

<ali1234> furbuntu? seriously?

<mah_boi> yep

<brobostigon> kn100: go on, i am obviously thinking of a different meaning of furry,

<kn100> i just did

<brobostigon> i didnt get anything kn100

<mah_boi> if you have only just come in ali1234, i am telling everyone i am a non suiting, non pornographic furry.

<kn100> how about now

<brobostigon> go it. kn100

<kn100> awesome

<ali1234> i just find the idea of furbuntu slightly amusing

<kn100> mah_boi, got any examples of your work

<mah_boi> umm

<mah_boi> 1 sec, i have only done 1 piece of furry art

<mah_boi> and its still on my phone

<kn100> host it over at http://nextpic.co.cc/ \o/

*** Hornet- is now known as Hornet

<mah_boi> or... i can put it on my furaffinity acocunt

<mah_boi> joke, i will deviantart it

<mah_boi> save your embarassment

<ali1234> if you just like drawing cartoon animals, i don't think you are a furry

<mah_boi> no it isn't cartoon

<kn100> ahah

<mah_boi> well i have tried to make it anthropomorphic

<kn100> man i didnt know so many ubuntu users were fans of furry :S

<mah_boi> and it came out a bit cartoony

<mah_boi> but it wasn't supposed to

<mah_boi> http://bunnymuncher.deviantart.com/

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] How do you sell ‘Free’? - http://blog.zrmt.com/2009/07/08/how-to-sell-free/

<mah_boi> is my deviant

<mah_boi> it isn't on there yet

<mah_boi> sorry bot [i think] i don't need to sell anything at this moment in time

<mah_boi> and the one for skellie got pooped up

<ali1234> how you sell free: mark it "100% off"

<mah_boi> lol

<mah_boi> and the one that is i r emoticon was just a clipart test for my new phone

<mah_boi> personally i like the eye the best

* brobostigon retunrs to listening to uupc

<brobostigon> returns*

<andylockran> flash on chromium & ubuntu :)

<brobostigon> wow.

<mah_boi> oh andy hi

<brobostigon> andylockran: i thought, flash couldnt deal with chromium, or the other way round.

<DJones> andylockran: isn't the flash sound only though

<andylockran> brobostigon: see my latest blog for instructions.. DJones it'll render my google analytics page now.

<andylockran> http://is.gd/1rlOr

<brobostigon> andylockran: ah, ok, so its http://blog.zrmt.com/2009/07/08/how-to-sell-free/ ?

<andylockran> http://blog.zrmt.com/2009/07/08/flash-on-chromium-in-ubuntu/

<brobostigon> thanks andylockran

* markie- gives brobostigon a hug

<kn100> google OS looks awesome

<Seeker`> "looks"?

<andylockran> no worries brobostigon

<brobostigon> andylockran: fairly simple then.

<andylockran> very :)

* brobostigon huggles markie-

<kn100> Seeker`, everything google touches lately turns to gold, so yeah :P

<markie-> :)

<Seeker`> wasn't aware there are pics yet

<kn100> there arent

<kn100> its just google make rockin software

<kn100> argh

<kn100> damn propietory crap

<kn100> http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_4970000/newsid_4977500?redirect=4977542.stm&news=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1 how am i supposed to watch that

<kn100> GRRRR

<kn100> ah just use iplayer :P http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lnj4h/Click_04_07_2009/

<kn100> wheres the latest playlist?

<kn100> podcast wtf am i typing

<kn100> lol

<andylockran> wahey - top gear in chromium :p

<kn100> see, no silly flash issues here :D

<kn100> http://nextra.lagosusa.com/images/screenshottyt.png

<kn100> hey, does bbc click, the download the video feature, is it DRM

<kn100> DRM'd

<ali1234> LIES

<WastePotato> FLIES

<WastePotato> Flash kills my laptop. Meh.

<kn100> hah

<kn100> flash works so well here

<kn100> even HD flash

<ali1234> WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA

<kn100> you have flash issues im guessing

<kn100> mmm hd flash with no lag

<ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/blog <- does that page kill your firefox?

<ali1234> here, it makes firefox max out the CPU before even clicking play on a video

<ali1234> in fact it's completely crashed

<ali1234> although the actual flash players are still responsive, ff wont redraw itself

<ali1234> now im going to have to kill ff

<ball> I really enjoyed this week's podcast.

<kn100> ali1234

<kn100> http://nextra.lagosusa.com/images/screenshot1psp.png

<kn100> i had those two videos playing, and a third one further down

<popey> brobostigon: excellent!

<brobostigon> popey: to what?

<popey> oops

<popey> s/ brobostigon / ball

<popey> ball: thanks!

<brobostigon> ah,

<ali1234> kn100: that's unpossible

<kn100> :)

<kn100> never had an issue with flash

<kn100> dont know what all the fuss is about

<kn100> works fine here

* brobostigon curses at the adsl again,

<ali1234> i think my computer is broken

<ali1234> maybe it's overheating and slowing itself down

<ali1234> temperature monitoring doesnt work on this board

* brobostigon also curses pulseaudio and mpd

<ali1234> maybe the capacitors are going bad again

<kn100> hah my CPU is amazing

<kn100> it ALLWAYS runs at 30-35

<ball> I had to brush the dust bunnies out of Mrs. ball's heatsink recently

<ball> ...or rather the heatsink on the microprocessor on her old computer.

<ball> ...it was getting a bit toasty.

<ball> Her new machine runs between 32-40 C

<ball> (alarm set at 40C)

<kn100> my alarm is set at 60

<dunks> mines around 90

<kn100> i have my cpu overclocked from 1600mhz and it is now 2520mhz

<kn100> voltage is +6.6% over 1.4v

<Seeker`> kn100: what cpu?

<ball> kn100: that sounds about as stable as your HTML ;-)

<kn100> :P

<ball> I have to drive 300 miles whenever a machine breaks, so I tend not to overclock.

<kn100> its amd sempron 2800+

<kn100> absolutely fabulous processor

<ali1234> do you run in 64 bit? do you have pci express?

<kn100> i have pci express, although i no longer use it, and i dont, its 32 bit

<ball> I quite fancy a Sempron Sparta, but it's about the same price as a full-on Athlon

<ball> ...and basically the same spec

<ball> ...not sure if the sempron has AMD-V though.

<dunks> It doesnt

<ali1234> hmmm... anyone got any ideas how i can figure out what's wrong with my pc?

<kn100> They dont

<ball> kn100: perhaps it depends which one.

<ball> ali1234: what's it doing?

<kn100> the semprons have a slightly slower cache and no amd-v

<kn100> but holy crap it rocks

<dunks> None of the semprons have amd-v

<dunks> it's a low end cpu

<kn100> very low end

<kn100> but very good performance too

<dunks> Well yeah, for what they are very good

<kn100> my one outperforms a 3.2ghz pentium 4 extreme edition processor with almost all benchmarks

<ball> kn100: For this one I went with the Athlon. Came with 1M L2 cache

<ali1234> well, if i go to http://www.youtube.com/blog (or any page with multiple flash videos) it maxes the CPU. firefox is very slow in general, as is banshee and other mono apps

<kn100> i want an athlon

<ali1234> even the menus are slow in firefox

<ali1234> it uses about 30% cpu just sitting idle

<kn100> firefox for me = slightly slower than windows, not too bad though, banshee runs epicly fast

<kn100> although my cpu does use about 20% idle

<kn100> just doing random stuff

<ali1234> banshee uses 60% while playing, on top of the 30% used by pulse

* brobostigon head'desks, and curses at pulseaudio and mpd.

<kn100> ahah

<kn100> thats one problem i do have sometimes

<ali1234> youtube HQ videos skip, HD wont play at all

<kn100> skype doesnt like sharing

<kn100> (audio)

<kn100> when skype is in a call, any other noise is either broken up, or doesnt play at all

<ball> ali1234: how much RAM do you have?

<ali1234> 2gb

<kn100> my pc <3 ubuntu

<ali1234> just looking what speed it is

<ball> ...also, what chip is in there?

<dunks> <3 my e6750

<ali1234> the system is 2.8ghz P4 with hyperthreading with 2GB PC3200 RAM

<kn100> theres your problem

<kn100> p4's suck

<ball> ali1234: P4 is slow, basically

<ali1234> nvidia 6200 GPU on AGP

<kn100> hah using nvidia 6150se onboard here

<ali1234> ok i realise it isn't the latest machine

<kn100> works well enough, i just took out my 7600

<kn100> it just wasnt getting used

<ball> ali1234: Is Xvideo working on your machine?

<ali1234> but it can't even display a page with 4 youtube players on it, while a sempron 2800 can play 2 at the same time and only use 6% CPU? that implies the sempron is about 100 times faster than the P4, which i just dont believe

<dunks> p4 hsa an xbox huge pipeline

<dunks> p4 has*

<ball> ali1234: that sounds entirely reasonable

<ali1234> rubbish

<ball> ...especially if you're not off-loading the video playback

<ali1234> yes, xvideo is working

<kn100> the semprons are great processors, my one outperforms a 3.2ghz p4 ee

<ball> kn100: doesn't surprise me.

<dunks> not at stock it wouldn't ;)

<kn100> it dude

<kn100> did

<kn100> that was stock

<kn100> when i found that out

<ball> Intel went down a blind alley with the Pentium 4

<kn100> the P4 was an aweful cpu

<kn100> they just went back to p3 after p4 lol

<ball> ...had to backtrack to the Pentium III for the subsequent Pentium M, Core and Core2

<kn100> and made thier c2d's etc

<kn100> ball +!

<ali1234> even so, ijust dont believe there's a 100x difference

<ball> ali1234: It wouldn't take a 100x difference to do what you're seeing

<ball> ali1234: have you checked cpu temp?

<ali1234> no, because it doesn't work on this board

<ali1234> i can only check it my looking in the bios

<ball> check in the CMOS setup program then

<ali1234> ok brb

<ali1234> well, i say brb, it will take about 10 minutes to shut down the machine

<ali1234> incidentally, i dont have this problem with youtube locking up firefox in windows

<ali1234> ok, brb, for real this time

<ball> ali1234: Are you using proprietary video drivers?

<ali1234> yes

<ball> ali1234: try the open source one.

<ali1234> nouveau?

* ball shrugs

<ball> Hopefully there's someone here who knows nVidia

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<ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Flash on Chromium in Ubuntu - http://blog.zrmt.com/2009/07/08/flash-on-chromium-in-ubuntu/

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<kn100> the propietory ones work great here

<kn100> ever since 18x they have been working great

* ball shrugs

<ball> kn100: is the open source one called "Nouveau"?

<kn100> i have no idea

<kn100> never used em

<ali1234> my bios doesn't have temperature monitoring :(

<ali1234> i've switched to nv driver now

<kn100> man your motherboard must suck

<ali1234> lets see what it does in ff

<ball> ali1234: how comfortable are you with hardware?

<ali1234> ball: extremely

<brobostigon> !info nouveau

<ubot4> brobostigon: Package nouveau does not exist in jaunty

<ali1234> i've hacked on nouveau before

<brobostigon> !nouveau

<ubot4> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support. Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive

<ball> ali1234: that's not hardware though ;-)

<ali1234> ball: i know. in terms of hardware, well, i rescued this computer from a skip, replaced all the caps on the main board, and now it works

<dunks> you replaced every capacitor on a mainboard by hand?

<ali1234> yes

<ali1234> not the SMT ones

<ali1234> just the electrolytics

<ball> ali1234: ...and you're surprised it doesn't work well? ;-)

<ball> I know, it works in Windows.

<ball> ...but still.

<kn100> ahahahah

<kn100> thats the best

<kn100> and also

<ali1234> before i replaced the caps it could not stay turned on long enough to post

<kn100> argh skype GRR

<ali1234> it's a documented problem with this board

<kn100> there is a sound playback problem

<kn100> but i hear the test sound

<ali1234> at first it crashes after a few months turned on, then it gets shorter and shorter as the caps dry up, until eventually it can't even get past the bios

<ali1234> now i leave it turned on for months and have no problems

<ball> ali1234: any trouble with the through-hole plating?

<ali1234> no, not really

<ball> Good. Sounds as though you're passable with a soldering iron.

<ali1234> it was easier than i expected, if anything

<ali1234> hey look at that, youtube.bom/blog didn't crash firefox

<kn100> dude i have to congratulate you though

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<ali1234> it's pretty slow, but passable... about what i'd expect from an old computer

<kn100> see thats another thing

<ali1234> so, nvidia driver was to blame... why am i not surprised?

<kn100> my system NEVER lags

* ball mostly runs Pentium III boxen

<kn100> never ever lags, its amazing just how fast it is

<ball> ali1234: glad it's working for you.

<kn100> I AM GOING TO PUNCH SKYPE

<ball> kn100: I don't think we can even buy FXS adaptors for Skype, sadly.

<ali1234> kn100: i really hammer my machines. i'm running some proprietry video editing software in virtualbox, got a bunch of tabs in firefox, mp3 player, running a compile... etc etc

<ali1234> i expect vbox and compiles to eat cpu... but not my mp3 player

<ali1234> that's why it annoys me

<ali1234> speaking of which, how could nvidia driver make banshee + pulse use 100% cpu, when banshee isn't even on the screen?

<ball> ali1234: easily.

<kn100> hah, i have pidgin, xchat, spotify, skype, amsn, firefox, minefiled, banshee, mplayer, compiz on max settings, brasero, screenlets

<ball> I have five xterm instances and xload.

<ali1234> "compiz on max" -> that will reduce cpu usage assuming the driver is working right

<ball> ...that's about it.

<ali1234> maybe not the max part, but you know what i mean

<brobostigon> kn100: why have some of those apps open, they overlap in functionality.

<ali1234> hmm firefox is still using 90% cpu to render that youtube page... and nothing is playing

<ball> Oh, irssi, ogg123 also

<ball> ali1234: that'll be Flash then.

<ali1234> banshee is downloading a podcast, and not playing -> 94% cpu

<kn100> brobostigon, i use different programs for different things

<kn100> like minefield sucks for some of the sites i use

<ali1234> so that's the entire of my processing resources used up by 1 web page and banshee

<kn100> so i use firefox

<ali1234> and banshee isn't even playing!

<brobostigon> kn100: pidgin and xchat do the same thing, pidgin does irc, so why use xchat aswell.

<ali1234> so i can't blame it on nvidia... although the system is more responsive when under load now

<kn100> Because pidgin sucks at IRC

<brobostigon> kn100: try irssi?

<kn100> bog that

<kn100> xchat works

<brobostigon> irssi also works.

<kn100> i dont mind my system using more ram

<kn100> when you have the ram, why not use it, even though ihave NEVER got my ubuntu box over 600mb

<brobostigon> good point

<ali1234> you know what... maybe the machine i use for mythtv is better than this one

<Seeker`> Torchwood \o/

<ali1234> let me look at the specs of it

<ali1234> i know it uses the same ram...

<kn100> dude, with your P4, halve its speed, thats its rough proper speed

<kn100> p4's are so bad mainly because of no l1 cache (or very little if im mistaken)

<brobostigon> the amd athlon was good,

<ball> They have L1 cache

<ball> ...but they have a very long pipeline and are basically weak.

<ball> (little !/MHz)

<kn100> they have very little though

<ball> ...Intel were trying to maximise the MHz, but they overcooked it.

<ball> kn100: I don't think that's the issue.

<kn100> it made for bad latency issues

<kn100> since it has to go to ram a LOT

<kn100> and ddr ram is not the fastest

<ali1234> /proc/cpuinfo says i have 512kb cache

<ball> you don't go to RAM in the event of an L1 cache miss

<kn100> (yes i know theres ddr2 boards out there for skt443)

<ball> brb, phone

<kn100> l2 isnt it

* ball nods

<ali1234> ok, the other machine is a AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ 256kb cache, is that better or worse than P4?

<kn100> erm, whats the clock speed on it

<ali1234> 2GHZ

<kn100> then yes

<kn100> probably

<ali1234> it's better than 2.8GHZ?

<kn100> clock speed isnt everything in a CPU

<ali1234> it predates 64 bit you know...

<kn100> yup

<kn100> same as mine

<ali1234> hmm i might swap the HDs over then... and the ram and graphics cards

<kn100> but mine outperforms a 3.2ghz EE 4 with ddr2 ram at stock speeds :)

<kn100> you could try it

<ali1234> i'm supposed to be doing work :)

<ali1234> but otoh, i can't work on this thing, it's too slow

<ali1234> here goes nothing :/

* Thingymebob chucks keyboard through window

<ball> We've turned into ##hardware this evening

<ball> I think I need new phones

<ball> ...or at least new batteries for the ones we have now.

<kn100> Benchmark after benchmark after benchmark shows the 1.5 GHz Pentium chip running slower than a 900 MHz Athlon, and in some cases slower than a 533 MHz Celeron, even as slow as a 200 MHz Pentium in rare cases.

<brobostigon> amd athlon's seems to rock.

<brobostigon> seem*

<ball> brobostigon: Some do

<kn100> all the amd lower end chips rock

<kn100> the ones that suck are the higher end ones

<ball> ...just as some Intel ones do.

<kn100> and thats where intel kicks ass

<brobostigon> ball: ok,

<ball> For a while, both companies were making desktop blast furnaces.

<ball> Inexcusable practice in my opinion, but that's not worth much in the real world.

<brobostigon> the best i have had upto know, is my bebox, powerpc/risc, 4 * 333mhz powerpc cpus,

<kn100> the thing that amazed me with the p4 is that in older chips, there were upwards of 64k l1 cache, but in the P4 they put 8K L1 data cache

<kn100> That was the size of the L1 cache back in the 486, more than TEN YEARS AGO

<ball> 486 was a more honest chip

<ball> ...at least the DX

<kn100> i still dont get why they did that

<ball> kn100: read up on "netburst"

<ball> Netburst == fail.

<kn100> with a little more cache, and a shorter pipeline, and some l3 cache

<kn100> it would have kicked ass

<ball> I know what they were trying to do, but it was suboptimal

<ball> ...it was a gamble on clock rates, but they weren't able to get Netburst running as fast as they wanted.

<kn100> clever idea

<kn100> thats the thing

<ball> ...fast enough to counteract the loss of !/MHz

<kn100> problem with intel is they make bloody awesome higher spec CPU's, but they cost an arm and a leg

<kn100> i can get a dual core 3.2ghz processor from AMD for £39 ffs

<ball> kn100: horses for courses

<kn100> yeah

<kn100> i am still amazed with the sempron

<kn100> dont think i will ever need to upgrade

<kn100> put it this way, it ran vista with almost no lag

<ball> kn100: a Sparta would suit me for the most part

* ball doesn't run Windows

<ball> (on any of my own machines)

<kn100> neither do i

<kn100> any more

<kn100> but i used to

<kn100> the spartas are nice solid chips that run decently for the price

<ball> Must be a decade for me.

<ball> ...easily

<kn100> hah me about a year

<ball> ...and I wasn't happy with it even when I ran it.

<kn100> so glad i stuck with ubuntu

<ball> ...but that's because I was already used to better systems.

<kn100> hah

<kn100> ubuntu has made the computer interesting again

<ball> Concurrent CP/M and unix

<kn100> eww unix

<ball> ...spring to mind as two prominent examples.

<kn100> whats cp/m though

<ball> kn100: what do you think Linux is a clone of?

<kn100> cclone but with millions of developers working on it :)

<ball> Doubt it's millions

<kn100> thousands then

<ball> Thousands, certainly

<ali1234> well here we are on the amd machine

<kn100> and i doubt the linux kernel ten years ago is the same beast as it is now

<kn100> ali1234 awsm

<ball> kn100: neither is the unix kernel

<kn100> nobody uses unix though :P

<kn100> unix is the opera of the world

<ball> kn100: many, many people do.

<ali1234> it does seem a lot better

<kn100> for servers yes

<ali1234> firefox now uses 66% cpu on that page

<kn100> but not as a desktop OS

* ball nods

<ball> kn100: right, except for Solaris

<ball> ...which is run on some desktops

<kn100> solaris is amazing

<kn100> amazingly reliable

<ali1234> this is way better

<ali1234> damn :)

<kn100> told ya :)

<kn100> learn very quickly not to trust clock speed

<rowinggolfer> folks - "empathy" is to replace pidgin, so I gave it a go. I'm confused by the irc part (or lack of..) does empathy do irc? Perhaps I need to get a later version that the one in jaunty repos?

<ali1234> rowinggolfer: it does do irc, but it's completely rubbish

<ali1234> rowinggolfer: the one in jaunty does it, you might have to install a plugin, but it's in there somewhere

<ball> I suppose if you count MacOS X, it's on a lot of desktops too.

<rowinggolfer> ali1234: thanks.

<ball> Anyway, horses for courses with the OS too.

<ball> There are some things that unix has that Linux doesn't and vice versa.

<ball> I like Ubuntu as a desktop OS

<kn100> oh yeah

<kn100> i never got that

<kn100> why the hell are they replacing pidgin

<kn100> pidgin ftw

<ali1234> i'm more inclined to think that other motherboard has some bad bugs, like some device on it was not operating in dma mode or something

<ali1234> kn100: because it has no audio/video support and very poor desktop integration

<ali1234> i still prefer it to empathy though

<kn100> ali1234 poor desktop integration?

<kn100> in what way?

<ball> Is there a Linux with live partition mobility yet?

<ali1234> kn100: i dunno, it's just what i've been told

<kn100> i would have said it has amazing integration myself

<rowinggolfer> pidigin's not part of the gnome project.

<ball> (being able to drag a virtual machine off one server, onto another while it's running?

<ball> )

<kn100> i can right click on any file in nautilus and send it using the context menu to any contact in pidgin

<rowinggolfer> I think that's the rub

<ball> The thing they're replacing it with is a Gnome app?

<rowinggolfer> yes

<kn100> whenever i use pidgin, i can change my status using the green button in the top right corner

<kn100> i think that kind of pettiness sucks

<kn100> does empathy support msn?

<ali1234> just about

<Laney> yes

<Laney> what?

<Laney> it uses libpurple

<kn100> i see

<ali1234> it tends to randomly refuse to connect (even more than pidgin)

<kn100> pidgin has never ever not connected here

<kn100> i use it in windows too

<ball> does empathy work as a remote X client?

<ali1234> to be fair, now that firefox is using 70% cpu... before it was using 100% of one "hyperthread"

<rowinggolfer> kn100 - that's a good point. pidgin is X-platform

<kn100> pidgin is the best IMO

<rowinggolfer> which ubuntu should probably like, given bug no 1.

<ali1234> maybe that was the problem though. inefficient use of fake SMP...

<kn100> anyone else noticed how bloated xOrg is getting?

<Laney> no

<ali1234> no, actually, it seems less bloated now

<brobostigon> kn100: or bitlbee, depending on how you are inclined

<kn100> hmnn

<Laney> anyone noticed how people hate change?

<kn100> I like change

<ali1234> i have noticed gnome, firefox, and ubuntu in general getting extremely bloated though

<kn100> but not when its not necisary

<ball> Laney: "We fear change!" ;-)

<w0jrl> will empathy work with the skype for pidgin plugin that many blind people rely on to access skype?

<Laney> pidgin isn't going away

<Laney> (empathy does v/v)

<ball> X.org is modular, so it should be /less/ bloated than XFree86

<kn100> no i know pidgin isnt going to fade away

<brobostigon> Laney: i just think something like bitlbee can be better sometimes.

<ball> ...eventually

<Laney> brobostigon: you'd teach your mother to use bitlbee?

<kn100> ok good start, empathy wont connect

<brobostigon> Laney: she can use irssi

<Laney> think about the number of skills it takes to get that far

<Laney> it's stupid

<Laney> kn100: karmic?

<kn100> no

<kn100> jaunty

<brobostigon> Laney: it has taken 5 years, to get this far.

<Laney> well then

<rowinggolfer> kn100 - I did some googling, and see rumours of empathy replacing pidgin _IN INTREPID_ !!

<kn100> i tried karmic, glitchy as hell

<kn100> ok empathy isnt actually that bad

<rowinggolfer> so I'm not holding my breath re karmic

<kn100> doesnt look too polished though

<brobostigon> for my mother to learn irssi.

<Laney> so maybe it's not the best for new users eh

<Laney> rowinggolfer: it is happening

<brobostigon> true.

<rowinggolfer> Laney: that's why I'm trying it.

<kn100> ok, straight back to pidgin

<brobostigon> Laney: pidgin or empathy maybe the best,

<ali1234> i wonder if i could play a HD video now

<kn100> try ;)

<kn100> its surprising what these chips can do

<ali1234> haha. no. i can't

<ball> empathy works as a remote X client

<ball> ...but I can't figure out how to use it ;-)

<w0jrl> does anyone know if there is a plan to make skype accessible with the orca screen reader? at the current time, blind people must rely on a plugin for pidgin that is very cut down, and does not give the same amount of control to us that a sighted person has with the built in interface

<ball> May just be gnomeisms

<Laney> what's a remote X client?

<ball> Laney: a program running on a computer that I'm not sitting in front of

<Laney> oh

<ball> (usually elsewhere in the room or house)

* brobostigon beslutter han doesnt gerne MPD og pulseaudio længere.

<ball> ...ocasionally elsewhere in the world, though that's painful.

<ali1234> it does drop less frames though

<ali1234> maybe if i try not playing it through flash :)

* brobostigon beslutter han ikke kan lide MPD og pulseaudio længere. (correction)

<ball> w0jrl: Jeremy?

<w0jrl> yes?

<ali1234> hmm going to try nvidia driver...

<ball> w0jrl: Skype is a proprietary app, so you'd have to ask the company.

<ball> (as far as I know)

<ball> I have to go, to pick up fork from daycare.

<kn100> ahahahha

<kn100> ok empathy is bad

<ali1234> great, it works now :)

<ali1234> i can play "youtube HD" if i rip it first

<w0jrl> i have asked a few users of orca and have been told that skype is resisting making there software accessible under linux, which is a shame.

<kn100> ali1234 told ya :)

<kn100> p4's suck, and thats a fact

<ali1234> i just don't believe it is all down to the cpu. must have been a driver problem with the other motherboard or something.

<ali1234> this board supports overclocking too

<kn100> its most probably just a bad combination of hardware

<kn100> amd's tend to be a lot more forgiving with hardware

<kn100> and something i learned very quickly, clock speed means f all

<brobostigon> kn100: i agree, thats why i love my bebox.

<kn100> whats a bebox

<brobostigon> kn100: a powerpc based, smp, desktop machine.

<brobostigon> from late 90s

<kn100> hardware is only as fast as the fastest component within the pc, for example you can have an absolutely crap processor, but an awesome graphics card, firefox will run crap, but games will not run very fast either

<kn100> brobostigon, you should splash out on a new machine

<brobostigon> kn100: i have, my last was based on the athlon.

<brobostigon> 1ghz, and it works great.

<kn100> build it yourself, el cheapo components = decent system that can run full blown ubuntu for 120-160

<kn100> only thing is the ram

<kn100> ram is everything in a pc

<brobostigon> kn100: definatly, i think i may go for smp again.

<ali1234> unless you have a P4

<kn100> lol

<ali1234> then 2GB of ram wont help you at all

<kn100> hah the difference between a sempron 2800 with 256mb of ram and 2gb of ram was incredible

<kn100> but in ubuntu i could quite happily go down to 512 with almost no performance loss

<ali1234> i have only 768 in this machine cos i didnt swap the ram yet, but it's MUCH faster

<kn100> yup :)

<kn100> the old AMD ftw

<kn100> what they've become is aweful

<kn100> intel have leapfrogged them so bad

<ali1234> well the real test will be what happens when i put that ram in and load up virtualbox

<brobostigon> kn100: however, my bebox under certain conditions, can be miles faster than my athlon.

<kn100> yup :)

<kn100> ali1234 that will run quite slow i think

<ali1234> the bad thing about this machine is it's really loud

<kn100> actually my mistake

<kn100> ali1234 replace the coolers then :)

<ali1234> it can't be slower than P4

<ali1234> i already did

<ali1234> it's the HDs

<kn100> it has amd-v so it should be quite fast

<kn100> ali1234 then take the hd out of the p4 :)

<ali1234> even though it's the SAME ones, for some reason they are much louder in this machine

<kn100> crappy case

<ali1234> i think that other motherboard was putting them in silent mode, probably damaging performance at the same time

<kn100> or the hdd's are not screwed in tight

<brobostigon> kn100: a good scsi hdd helps i suspect.

<ali1234> they're not screwed in at all at the moment

<kn100> ali1234 hard disks dont have a silent mode lol

<ali1234> kn100: yes they do

<kn100> they have a slow mode

<kn100> but that is factory set

<kn100> the motherboard cant set that, thats more a hardware based thing

<kn100> or at least i think

<ali1234> they have a user setable accoustic level from 0-128, hdparm can set it

<kn100> maxtor diamondmax 10's ftw

<kn100> ali1234 oh yes

<kn100> i see that

<kn100> but ah well

<kn100> the noise isnt that annoying i would guess

<kn100> my machine is quite loud

<kn100> but i just drown it out with music/ignore it

<ali1234> the old machine was silent

<ali1234> literally silent

<kn100> hah

<ali1234> or maybe i'm just deaf

<kn100> i still remember my old p2

<ali1234> i will be if i dont do something about the fans in this one

<kn100> had a tiny little 50mm fan on it

<kn100> was silent

<kn100> but a whiney noise

<kn100> ali1234 then mess with hdparm

<kn100> if you dont mind losing performance

<kn100> or you could also try tranferring everything from the amd unit into the p4 unit's cas

<kn100> case

<ali1234> maybe i can swap the PSUs too

<ali1234> the old machine is a dell, it has a none standard case

<ali1234> i'd have to drill holes in it

<ali1234> i can't be bothered

<jagez> does anyone know of a guide for downloading a source package, applying a patch, repackaging and installing the patched package to the local machine as a replacement for what is installed?

<ali1234> i can probably swap the PSUs over though

<ali1234> looks standardish

<ali1234> jagez: yes, hang on

<brobostigon> ok, i need sleep,

<ali1234> jagez: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-sourcebuild

<brobostigon> good night all, sleep well.

<ali1234> jagez: and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems

<Seeker`> Daviey: fix mythtv

<ali1234> but the latter is not so important

<kn100> ali1234 if i was you i would buy a decent case

<jagez> ali1234, thanks, they look good. I'm patching gdm and I expect I'll have to repatch it for every new ubuntu package of it

<kn100> not some really expensive one now

<kn100> mine was £20 and it came with a PSU

<kn100> but it made the noise a lot less

<ali1234> kn100: if i had money for a decent case, i'd just buy a new computer and a crappy case :)

<kn100> hah

<NAMELEZZ> HEYY

<kn100> we are all skint

<kn100> hello NAMELEZZ

<NAMELEZZ> yeah

<ali1234> right im gonna put the ram in, so i can try to finish this work in vbox

<NAMELEZZ> i want to check if my laptop has wireless connection

<ali1234> NAMELEZZ: CAN U HEAR ME NOW?

<kn100> you want to see whether it has WiFi?

<NAMELEZZ> <ali1234> yeah .....i want to check if my laptop has wireless connection

<kn100> do you know the model name and number?

<NAMELEZZ> <kn100> nope

<invalidrecord> invalidrecord

<invalidrecord> lol

<kn100> erm, we cant really help you without knowing its make and model

<kn100> Hi invalidrecord

<kn100> Do you know who makes it?

<kn100> (dell, HP, compaq, viglen)

<NAMELEZZ> how can i check the name and model?? ubuntu is complecated

<invalidrecord> hi sorry default irc setup on jaunty brought me here :-)

<kn100> invalidrecord, any help you need just ask :)

<kn100> we are here to help

<kn100> NAMELEZZ you need to know the make and model of your laptop, like a Dell 2650 for example

<invalidrecord> while im here, I have a few servers remote, now I hear of data loss with ext4 would you upgrade from ext3 with hosted applications on the aforementioned servers?

<NAMELEZZ> its northgate

<kn100> the brand?

<kn100> can you find your laptop on the internet?

<invalidrecord> northgate is a chipset

<kn100> not what we need :)

<NAMELEZZ> i am checking its model please hold on

<kn100> invalidrecord, ext4 is quite awesome for performance

<kn100> but if you suffer a power outage it can cause data loss

<invalidrecord> info can usually be got from the proc pseudo fs

<kn100> while ext3 is a little slower, but is vert secure

<invalidrecord> kn100: yes im just worried about dataloss, mind you th dc has redundant power

<kn100> to be honest i wouldnt be too worried, just be sure to have backups

<kn100> if its critical you dont lose data on the server, stick with ext3

<invalidrecord> i run ext4 at home but clients data is diffrent.

<kn100> its not a huge loss in performance

<invalidrecord> ok ext3 for now

<invalidrecord> Im running nginx so perf isnt to much of an issue

<kn100> ahh

<kn100> personally i use ext3 on my server

<invalidrecord> ok ill wait for the power loss/data loss issue to be resolved

<invalidrecord> I wonder if it ever will be though, I am begining to think thats why ext4 is faster as the journal is delayed

<kn100> it is

<invalidrecord> ahh so its basically always going to be shutdown sensitive

<kn100> yup

<kn100> its only a small loss in performance

<kn100> so unless your time critical you wont notice

<invalidrecord> yeah and on a web server not vital

<invalidrecord> also im not a fan of updating fs on live servers when i dont have physical access

<kn100> yeah

<kn100> it messes up, you have to wait for some slow technician to sort it out

<kn100> and usually does a lousy job

<invalidrecord> yeah lol well in a fairly picky sysadmin

<invalidrecord> are cononical staff or just users that are helpful?

<invalidrecord> are you i mean

<kn100> NO

<kn100> no i mean

<invalidrecord> excuse my spelling

<kn100> im just here :)

<kn100> dont worry, i have been messing up all night :)

<kn100> i dont think anyone in this channel is employed by canonical

<invalidrecord> ahh I should probably pop in now and then help a bit with the noobs, i was there when redhat 3 was about lol

<invalidrecord> but tonight I have a shed load of ruby to write for tomorrow :-(

<kn100> this channel is a LoCo (Local Offline Community) for the UK

<kn100> we offer support though

<kn100> Oh lawd not ruby

<invalidrecord> offline? its an Lrug?

<invalidrecord> whats wrong with ruby

<kn100> im not much of a programmer myself, but the language is annoying :)

<invalidrecord> i do python and c and well the list goes on but ruby is great man, trully expressive

<invalidrecord> what

<kn100> i just found it extremely hard

<invalidrecord> its one of the sexiest i have ever used

<invalidrecord> i think you are thinking of perl

<kn100> python is really good, just really awkward to do anything GUI with it

<kn100> actually, i am

<invalidrecord> ruby is almost english

<kn100> thanks for the correction

<invalidrecord> lol

<invalidrecord> ruby you would love then trust me

<invalidrecord> I can do perl but it lends itself to clever one liners to much

<invalidrecord> 6 months on you look at it and go WTF was I smoking

<jagez> woo I just got gdm to log in by remote control

<kn100> hah

<invalidrecord> not good when your being paid for said code

<kn100> invalidrecord, one thing thats important to know about paid coding.

<invalidrecord> jagez: freenx?

<kn100> if they pay you, who cares :P

<mgdm> Ruby is hardly "almost English", it's nice though

<jagez> invalidrecord, no I mean I nudged a gdm to log itself in - me controlling it over a network

<invalidrecord> lol i guess i remember asembler and c++ so ruby feels like english

<zleap> i remember rhl 3.0.3 and kernel 1.0.9

<kn100> and invalidrecord if you think ruby sounds like english, i would love to hear you speak :P

<zleap> which i still have somewhere

<kn100> i have a zx spectrum in my house somewhere

<kn100> still boxed with everything

<invalidrecord> ahh personally only fire up x when i want to watch movies, the joy of vim

<invalidrecord> zleap: you an oldtimer too then lol

<kn100> wow your awesome :)

<zleap> kinda

<kn100> i am a GUI guy, allways have been

<mgdm> RH5.2 was the first one I used properly

<mgdm> kernel 2.0.36, IIRC

<kn100> i use terminal when its quicker, but gui ftw

<zleap> yeah 3.0.3 was almost back in the days when you had to install from floppy after copyting files to floppy

<invalidrecord> I used slack back then, i learned to hate rpm early

<zleap> yeah 2.0.36

<zleap> sounds about right

<zleap> i got slack 3.4 here

<invalidrecord> i did use floppies

<invalidrecord> lol

<mgdm> I ran Slackware 8, 9, and X for a wee while before switching to LFS for a couple of years

<mgdm> LFS for the utter win, BTW.

<invalidrecord> im only 31 though

<mgdm> "Follow book, book good"

* mgdm is 26

<zleap> yeah took ages to copy some of slackware to floppy, i did manage to compile some jet set willy clone once

<invalidrecord> yeah i did a bit of lfs but ended up a gentoo head later

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