<andylockran> well that was weird

<tck> anyone around?

<anto9us> tck: I'm around

<tck> type

<tck> netbug in your terminal

<tck> let me know what you get

<anto9us> I'm looking at the --help first

<tck> there is none/

<anto9us> no, I'm doing a web search on it

<anto9us> seems to be part of iproute I think

<tck> just seemed suspicious

<tck> ;)

<anto9us> yeah, shouldn't send to that address

<anto9us> I sent it to myself, needs decoding though and I can't be bothered right now

<gord> oookay thats the worst nickname thing used on the poker tv show, they gave someone the nickname 'mr poker'

<anto9us> gord: we used to have a woodwork teacher in school called Mr Wood and a metalwork teacher called Mr Steele, not kidding

<gord> i bet they only got into those industrys because of their name :P

<gord> i need to change my name to mr cookies or som't

<anto9us> tck: you'd need a functioning mail server to send it btw

<tck> well outgoing one yes

<tck> i can a error back to my local spool ;)

<anto9us> gord: mr nookies would be my first choice

<gord> sounds like a clown

<anto9us> google will define nookie if you ask it

<anto9us> tck: netbug is actually a script, type cat /sbin/netbug

<tck> i just ran strings on it

<tck> yeah i saw it

<tck> also file /sbin/netbug

<tck> i just found it odd :)

<tck> but what do I know , im not a developer

<anto9us> well the guy that owns the email address is part of the Linux Kernel team

<anto9us> night

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*** GazzaK is now known as Gary

<dgjones> good morning people

<mrben> morning all

*** GazzaK is now known as Gary

*** Dannilion is now known as Dannilionz

*** Dannilionz is now known as Dannilion

<dharrigan> Another day....

<Dannilion> indeedy

<dharrigan> I love my electric sheep.

<Dannilion> you have electric sheep?

<Gary> thats rude

<dgjones> do androids dream of electric sheep?

<mandrill3621> ask an android

<mgdm> According to UNKLE, androids dream of electric beats

<mandrill3621> why the hell does it do that? Its saying that my usual nick is already in use.

<mgdm> 10:05 -!- mandrill [i=sintflut@dslb-088-077-247-071.pools.arcor-ip.net]

<mgdm> 10:05 -!- ircname : Unknown

<mgdm> 10:05 -!- server : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/]

<mgdm> 10:05 -!- End of WHOIS

<mgdm> there is someone else using that nick, somewhere

<mandrill3621> somewhere?

<mgdm> did you register your nick?

<mandrill3621> not in here though

<mandrill3621> yes

<mandrill3621> first thing I did

<mgdm> try /msg nickserv help ghost

<dgjones> are you registered? presumably if you log in using a registered nick & password, doesn't that kick the other person off

<mgdm> it'll tell you how to kick the other one off

<dharrigan> Dannilion, yes I have electric sheep

<Dannilion> /msg nickserv ghost mandrill <password>

<constrictor> ooh new kernel update

<constrictor> hello everyone

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<mandrill> right thats that sorted

<mandrill> there were two of me

<mandrill> I had to kill him twice

<mgdm> heh

<mandrill> happened yesterday too

<mgdm> make sure you set up your IRC client to identify to services on connect

<mandrill> I have done thats the strange thing

<mgdm> hmm

<mgdm> well, logging on with a registered nick doesn't boot the other one off

<mgdm> You do need to go and do it yourself

<mandrill> I've added that to the things that are done when I log on. isn't IRC scripting wonderful?

<mandrill> now to what I came here for. Is anyone else having problems with Gmail at the moment?

<dgjones> logging in via webmail?

<mandrill> not logging in, thats not a problem. I'm permanently logged into gmail. when my computer is on and my browser open that is.

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<mandrill> see http://keithneilson.co.uk/gmail-glitching/ for more details

<willskills> mandrill is that not how it's supposed to work?

<willskills> unless of course you actively log out

<mandrill> yes, but thats not the problem

<mgdm> Are you using Adblock, or Firebug?

<willskills> and https:// rather than http://?

<mandrill> I've been using adblock for ages with no problems

<mgdm> or anything that messes with your browser to that level...

<mandrill> I have added nothing to my browser that I haven;t had for ages

<dgjones> rite, the only glitch i've noticed is that using jabber with a gmail/googlemail address, you can't have yourself shown as invisible in pidgin/kopete

<mandrill> its an odd little thing. it'll let me read every mail apart from the first one in the list. and not just in the inbox

<willskills> now that is strange :)

<balor> Is there a version of 7.04 that fits on a USB thumbdrive? i.e. so that I can boot a machine and install Ubuntu via the thumbdrive.

<mandrill> I've disabled adblock on mail.google.com just in case but it seems to have had no effect.

<mandrill> balor: it fits on a CD so it should fit on a sufficiently sized thumbdrive.

<willskills> balor I think the livecd can go straight on a stick

<willskills> I have an edgy install on a 2gb pen ;)

<balor> willskills: thanks.

<Paladine> mandrill, probably isn't this but it is worth checking, whats your MTU?

<mandrill> hang on...

<mandrill> hmm can't find it in my router settings.

<Paladine> type ifconfig

<mandrill> you mean ipconfig?

<Paladine> (from a shell)

<Paladine> you in windows?

<mandrill> aye

<Paladine> oh yeah try ipconfig /all

* mandrill ducks

<Paladine> not sure if ipconfig shows MTU

<Paladine> I think you have to change it in the registry in windows iirc

<mandrill> hang on I can try it in linux

<Paladine> before you do, you using one of those linux router thingies?

<Paladine> the netgear with the linux firmware (think it is a netgear)

<mandrill> ooh dunno

<mandrill> its a netgear

<mandrill> one of their white wireless ones

<mandrill> anyway got the MTU its 1500

<Paladine> cos I saw someone earlier in the week in #ubuntuforums who had blocked java applets in his router, but it also disabled javascript

<mandrill> then Gmail wouldn't work at all

<Paladine> try changing your MTU to 1458 see if it helps

<mandrill> there's no option to do that in the router settings

<Paladine> you should be able to do it in windows

<Paladine> http://www.pctools.com/guides/registry/detail/280/

<mandrill> ta

<mandrill> right back in a mo have to restart

<Paladine> it might not make any difference, but it is worth a try and it won't hurt anything

<mandrill> I'd better let it finish its virus scan first.

<Paladine> aye

<mandrill> could it be something to do with the 19 virii that have turned up overnight (while the machine has been turned off I might add.)

<Paladine> I presume you tested gmail in Linux?

<mandrill> erm...

<mandrill> yes

<mandrill> it works fine in linux

<mandrill> it seems to be my problem

<mandrill> so the MTU thing is not going to fix it.

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<Paladine> yeah I was doubtful it would just throwing ideas into the air, I never realised at the time it was working in linux :)

<mandrill> looks like I'll have to use linux for my email from now on.

<mandrill> oh well it could be worse

<bkcougar> morning

<Dannilion> morning

* Venko yawns

<Venko> Paladine, any updates about those letters? You said you were going to write some more, remember?

<Paladine> Venko, I am still waiting for some more feedback on the p2p service running after the iPlayer service is shut down

<Venko> Alright

<Paladine> plus I am right in the middle of my final week of study for this year

<Paladine> I shouldbe free to continue with it after next wednesday when all my coursework is in and my exam is done

<Paladine> venko, there was a post on the uk loco forum last night from bob sayng he would try and see what the p2p service is doing today

<Paladine> so hopefully that will give me the info I need for the new letters

<Paladine> the new letters are going to be very aggressive

<Venko> Awesome.

<Paladine> I will be focusing on the Fair Use Policies that all the ISP have in place and the fact that charges are incurred on a per gigabyte rate once the FUP is exceeded and therefore the fact that kontiki continues to use bandwidth in thebackground once the service has shut down places consumers at risk ofunexpected charges from their ISP

<Paladine> I will also be adding something about how uninstalling the iPlayer service does not uninstall kontiki and in fact if you do try and uninstall kontiki it attempts to pursuade you not to and then crashes if you continue with the uninstallation

<Paladine> I will quoting aspects of the Sony Rootkit debacle

<Paladine> furthermore, I suspect that kontiki continuing to run once iPlayer has been shutdown falls under Trepass to Chatels

<Paladine> which is an offnese under british law

<Venko> Haha

<Paladine> since it is reasonable that the consumer expects the entire service to shut down once they close the player therefore kontiki is using their system without implied or expressed consent

<Paladine> thus being a trespass

<Venko> All I need is a Windows machine, some spare time and a lawyer

<Paladine> I have several drafts already written, but I want the info from bob before I finalise them, since I think there are a lot of very important points to be raised which could even have criminal liability attatched with regards kontiki, so I have to make sure my facts are straight before publishing them

<Venko> Yeah, seems fair enough

<Venko> We should do a Ribena Free on them

<Paladine> there may even be some breach of the Computer Misuse Act

<Paladine> but I need to read up more on that

<Venko> You know where they claimed they had a sugar free Ribena and got screwed over by their consumers

<Paladine> kontiki continuing to run and chew up bandwidth could even be interprettedas a denial of services attack

<Paladine> since it obviously restricts the bandwidth available to the owner of the computer

<Venko> What script does your blog use? Or did you write it yourself?

<Paladine> its wordpress with a modified theme

<Venko> Ah alright

<Paladine> some of the widgets are my own

<Paladine> like the gallery, webcam, petitions widgets

<Paladine> it is difficult at the moment with regards iPlayer because I don't have access to the service so I need to rely on other people to provide me with the relevant feedback

<Paladine> would be much easier if I could test all this stuff for myself

<dgjones> Paladine, is it that you don't have windows, or don't have a log in to iplayer?

<Paladine> both

<dgjones> rite, was going to say they seem to be giving registrations & login's out quite easily

<Gary> dgjones, Paladine will not run windows, I cannot blame him

<Venko> I won't run Windows either

<Paladine> microsoft products are banned from my house

<Paladine> along with apple and sony products

<Venko> Same here except for Sony products D:

<Venko> I think my gran's DVD Player is Sony

<dgjones> Gary, i saw that he didn't have windows, i only run windows when i have to (which means about 50% of my work time work now)

<Venko> I still have Windows installed on this laptop but I haven't used it since I switched to Linux. I'm planning on formatting the entire HDD when Gutsy comes out so it'll go then.

<Paladine> I am very erm principled ;) some people thinkI am anal, but I prefer to describe it as sticking to my morals instead of giving in for the sake of convenience

<Gary> I like apple

<Gary> and sony made my car's hifi

<Venko> I have a friend called Patrik who'll only use hardware that he has open drivers for.

<Paladine> I can't support any company which makes money from drm

<Gary> i'd be barred from Paladine's house

<Paladine> you wouldn't be barred, but your ipod and macbook would be

<Venko> He removed a wireless card from his laptop because it didn't have an open source driver

<Venko> *beep beep*

<Paladine> I don't have an issue with proprietary drivers

<Venko> You might have some loose change, keys, an iPod?

<Gary> Venko, lol

<dgjones> i finally replaced my windows server with an ubuntu machine at the weekend, every machine runs ubuntu as the primary os, with 2 dual boot windows for one off app's that don't work under wine

<Paladine> obviously I would prefer they were open, but I do believe it is the manufacturers right to release closed drivers especially since most of them have NDA with various chipset partners (philips are a bugger for that)

<Gary> i'm gonna get a ubuntu server for media and asterisk

<Venko> NDA?

<Paladine> non disclosure agreements

<Venko> Ah

<Paladine> oneof the biggest issues for example, with usb webcam drivers is down to NDAs

<Paladine> logitech would love to release open source drivers for all their webcams (they have done for several) but a lot of them use philips chips

<chrisbudden14> guys, how long should a 4400 mAh battery last ?

<Paladine> chrisbudden14, how long is a piece of string?

<chrisbudden14> i seee

<chrisbudden14> lol

<Paladine> do you mean how long should it stay charged or what is the lifecycle (as in how many times can you charge it)?

<chrisbudden14> how long will the power last

<chrisbudden14> when off of AC

<Paladine> totally depends on the drain

<dgjones> Paladine, a piece of string is twice the length of half a piece of string :)

<Paladine> the more the device drains, the shorter the charge will last

<chrisbudden14> yes, but approximatly

<Paladine> for example, having a an unused wifi NIC on a laptop always turned on will drain the battery much quicker than if it was turned off

<Paladine> using opengl or video same effect

<Paladine> etc

<Venko> I'm looking for ways to make Ubuntu more graphically appealing without using Compiz/Beryl because I've had issues with them on this machine.

<chrisbudden14> yea

<Paladine> chrisbudden14, Iwould say the average on a laptop being used for generic stuff like browsing the web (not youtube though) reading email, writing documents, for a mid range mobile cpu (as opposed to P4 or Turian) wouldbe about 4 hours

<Paladine> but so many things can effect that

<chrisbudden14> yea i know, i try to turn stuff off im not using whilst on battery

<Paladine> like screen size for example

<chrisbudden14> yep

<Gary> chrisbudden14, between 1 to 6 hours :p

<Paladine> also turning the backlight down a couple of notches can significantly improve the battery life

<chrisbudden14> i have found that, what i am looking for is 0> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ACER-Aspire-3660-5600-5670-TravelMate-5600-Battery_W0QQitemZ200142087795QQihZ010QQcategoryZ101247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

<chrisbudden14> not too expensive really

<Venko> I think battery life is pretty good. I sit downstairs on the sofa sometimes with my laptop on battery listening to the radio on it whilst on Pidgin and doing things in Firefox. Of course I'm connected through WiFi and it lasts for the time I want to be there without a need for a cable.

<chrisbudden14> cool

<Paladine> chrisbudden14, is that an official battery?

<cinex> morning

<Venko> Still, does anyone have any suggestions for eye-candy on Ubuntu that doesn't use Compiz/Beryl?

<cinex> yeah

<cinex> 3ddesktop

<cinex> although its nowhere near as nice.

<Venko> I'd like to make it a little more appealing... I wanted to use Avant Window Manager but it doesn't work properly (seems it needs Compiz)

<cinex> it lets you change desktop in fancy ways

<Paladine> I hate buying branded accessories when the aftermarket ones are so much cheaper but I would be very dubious about buying a non official laptop battery at the moment given all the reports of even branded batteries blowng up/catching fire

<Venko> >_<

<Gary> my laptop lasts 5 hours with wifi, bluetooth, bright screen etc running

<cinex> gary. what poweer govenor you got set?

<cinex> power

<Paladine> gazzak, yeah but your electrifying personality trickle charges your laptop ;p

<chrisbudden14> Paladine, i dont think it is official,. but a battery is a battery right?

<cinex> or. how fast is y our cpu right now ?

* dharrigan has recompiled ffmpeg to do wma encoding

<Paladine> chrisbudden14, no, unfortunately not, poor quality batteries are very dangerous

<chrisbudden14> yea

<chrisbudden14> this seller looks legit tho

<Venko> Did we ever get a good version of Doom for Linux in debs?

<cinex> deiaccord: ...

<cinex> dharrigan: ...

<Gary> cinex, erm, no idea, it's a MBP 15" with the new LED lit screen

<cinex> Gary: cat /proc/cpuinfo

<cinex> and see what speed it its running at

<Paladine> gazzak LED backlights are far more efficient on batteries

<cinex> just to please my curisoity

<Paladine> they are not even comparable with the older LCDs

<Gary> cinex, in osx?

<cinex> oh i dunno how to tell in osx.

<cinex> but I bet you could do it somehow.

<cinex> is it an intel ?

<Gary> yeah, 2.2Ghz C2D santa rosa

<Gary> which is even better on power

<cinex> speedstep I think intel call it

<Paladine> go with a modern amd for a laptop they are far more power efficient than intel :p

<cinex> you can change the frequency on the fly

<Gary> yeah, I don't do much on it, so it lasts forever

<cinex> yeah but if you on an 'on demand' govenor. then you battery would really rock

<cinex> or not

<mandrill> here's a conundrum for you. is there any way to copy and paste between two different computers running two different operating systems? (that are networked of course.)

<cinex> yeah

<cinex> ssh

<mandrill> I access the ubuntu manchine through VNC

<MooDoo> chaps/ladies - http://www.paulmellors.net/index.php/2007/08/20/ubuntu-domains/

<mandrill> from the windows machine

<cinex> past einto a text file. then send it over then ?

<Paladine> MooDoo I will take ubuntu-users

<MooDoo> perhaps i should have said, morning all

<MooDoo> can you comment on my blog mate so i don't forget.

<Paladine> done

<Paladine> even has a custom typo in it :)

<MooDoo> :)

<Gary> woo, I could use ubuntu-men as a cheap way to find victims

<cinex> 'victims'

<MooDoo> Paladine: i'm sure with those domains you just need to request the domain via your ISP and when i get the transfer request i'll authorise it.

<mandrill> ooh you in nottingham moodoo.

<cinex> why have you removed yourself from the ubuntu-uk stuff ?

<MooDoo> mandrill: yes mate

<mandrill> you know anywhere cheap to stay that's relatively coles to the center?

<MooDoo> cinex: to be honest i got bored and frustrated

<mandrill> *close

<cinex> oh

<MooDoo> mandrill: not really but look here - http://www.realhotels.co.uk/towns/Nottingham-Hotels.php

<cinex> anyone know why popey is hanging around outside?

<MooDoo> cinex: i beileive he got frustrated too.

<Gary> awww

<Gary> not of me?

<Paladine> MooDoo I need an auth code off you apparantly

<cinex> I dunno. he's been there for at least 3 days (as far as I can tell)

<cinex> you try to 'victimise' him gary ?

<Paladine> MooDoo, k I have sent the transfer request

<Paladine> * The transfer request for ubuntu-users.org has now been sent to our international domain registrar (OpenSRS).

<Paladine> * OpenSRS will send you an email, requesting that you authorise the transfer.

<Paladine> You will need to confirm the transfer within 5 days. More information

<Paladine> * Simply follow the instructions in the email to complete the move to Fasthosts.

<Paladine> * Please remember it may take several days for the domain transfer to complete.

<Paladine> so you should get an email from opensrs

<Paladine> asking you to auth it

<Gary> cinex, well, if by victimise, you mean lust after, maybe

<cinex> lol

<MooDoo> Paladine: yeah just seen it one sec.

<MooDoo> Paladine: ok auth'd that, i'll keep my eye open and see what happens.

<Paladine> k bud

<MooDoo> no worries.

<MooDoo> Gary: did you want ubuntu-men?

<Paladine> thanks man

<Paladine> I will throw a forum up on it in the next month or so

<MooDoo> kewl.

<Paladine> ok I have to go to bloody blackpool :/

<MooDoo> o/

<Paladine> gonna have one more smoke then disappear for the rest of the day

<mandrill> hmm, smoke.

<mandrill> sounds like a plan

<mandrill> shame about blackpool though

<Paladine> have to go setup my mothers internet

<Paladine> well technically it is not blackpool

<mandrill> You know how every town or city has its rough pub that's seen better days and is gnerally referred to as 'a bit of a dive'?

<Paladine> it is lythm st-annes

<mandrill> well blackpool is britain's

<Paladine> hehe

<Paladine> blackpool is the 9th wonder of the world :p

<Paladine> it is the only hole above ground

<mandrill> yeah you have to wonder why they haven't bulldozed it yet.

<Paladine> I was born there

<mandrill> ouch

<Paladine> the hospital i was born at collapsed a few weeks after I was born :)

* mandrill ducks

<mandrill> so you really did break the mould as it were

<Paladine> Greetings,

<Paladine> The domain ubuntu-users.org has successfully been transferred to UKReg.

<Paladine> Thank You,

<Paladine> Team UKReg

<mandrill> anyway. smoke. then feed the sprog. laters

<MooDoo> Paladine: awesome

<cinex> anyone got a nice cpu they wanna send me for free?

<mgdm> I'm sure I could dig out a Cyrix 333, if you want :P

<cinex> i said NICE

<mgdm> It is nice!

<mgdm> to look at

<cinex> woudl a server be better with a duel core. or a single core?###

<mgdm> Dual core!

<mgdm> All the way!

<cinex> any explinations ?

<mgdm> it means it can handle running more things at once better, basically

<mgdm> I'd always take a dual core CPU with a lower clock speed than a single core fast one

<cinex> duel core mini-itx cost a fortune

<Paladine> I have a spare single core Athlon64 3700 San Diego (the expensive core)

<cinex> does it have that coole N quiet technoology ?

<cinex> energy saving thing

<cinex> frequency scaling

<Paladine> cool n quiet is a motherboard chipset feature afaiaw

<cinex> http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Cool_N_Quiet_Installation_Guide3.pdf

<Paladine> gazzak, what socketis that board you are sending me?

<Paladine> Gary do you still have gazzak set to highlight?

<Paladine> cinex, the 3700 does support cool n quiet, Ijust need to find out what socket is on the board gazzak is sending me

<Paladine> if it is a 939 I will probably put the 3700 in there

<Paladine> it was a 200 quid CPU when I bought it 2 years ago

<cinex> AMD Cool ‘n’ Quiet™ technology controls your system’s level of processor performance

<cinex> automatically, dynamically adjusting the operating frequency and voltage up to 30 times per

<cinex> second, according to the task at hand.

<Paladine> san diego is the premium athlon 64 single core

<Paladine> 1MB l2 cache

<cinex> still ?

<Paladine> still?

<Paladine> what you mean by that?

<Paladine> is it still the premium core? yes

<Paladine> to my knowledge they haven't released anything to replace the san diego

<cinex> 2 years is old for a cpu

<cinex> thats what I meant by still

<Paladine> naaah not really

<Paladine> it was only used for 12 months as well

<Paladine> I replacedit with an X2 4400+ Toledo

<cinex> you getting rid of it ?

<Paladine> depends on what socket is on the board gazzak is sending me

<cinex> lol

<cinex> i was offered a erm. board and chip for £50 yesterday. let me find the info

<Paladine> I also have 2x Athlon MP 2800 Barton Cores

<cinex> I have a 2500+ one of those

<Paladine> I have 2x 2200 Athlon MPs too

<Paladine> but they are in my server

<Paladine> I have a lot of cpu's lying around actually hehehe

<cinex> how do you view mozillas history?

<Paladine> I never throw anything away, I keep stuff til I have enough to build a machine then donate it to charity

<cinex> got it

<cinex> http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=4556&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP&SITE=US with a AMD 64 3400

<Paladine> what core on the 3400 though?

<Paladine> the venice core is shite

<Paladine> lanparty is a nice mainboard

<cinex> I dunno. its noit FX or X2 it has no letters at the end

<Paladine> yeahI know but AMD cpu's have multiple cores

<Paladine> they release several chips with different cores

<cinex> I dunno then.

<Paladine> san diego on the single core athlon64's are the top of the range, venice are budget cores

<cinex> it will be a cheap one

<Paladine> they have different amounts of l2 cache

<cinex> the £50 he wants for the board. he said he will give me the cpu to go with it

<Paladine> only problem with that lanparty board is the ATI chipset

<Paladine> the nforce 4 chipset is far superior

<cinex> why is that bad?

<cinex> he offered me either the lanparty or another one.

<cinex> but I cant find the other in my history

<Paladine> it is basically identical to my mainboard apart from the chipset

<Paladine> I have nforce4 on mine

<Paladine> nforce4 is SLI instead of Crossfire

<Paladine> I presume the fan on that lanparty board is the northbridge

<Paladine> you might want to consider changing the fan our for a decent heatsink instead

<Paladine> s/our/out

<cinex> well. I just want a cheap test machien

<Paladine> 50 quid is a good price regardless

<Paladine> but if he has an nforce4 as opposed to ati chipset on the other board you might want to consider that

<cinex> but you advise to get the nvidia board?

<cinex> ok

<cinex> the board will take an x2 too. which means when I'm done testing I can stick sommat a bit nicer in it

<Paladine> yeah the 939 will take athlon64, X2, FX and Opteron CPUs

<Paladine> which is why I bought one

<Paladine> only downside is no DDR2

<Paladine> you need am2 socket for ddr2

<cinex> I can live with that

<dharrigan> I love it when the sun shines

<dharrigan> It makes the day seem so much better

<dharrigan> Pretty sunny up here in Leeds at the moment.

<Paladine> cinex, my favourite machine at the moment is my iPAQ :)

<Paladine> root@rx3000:~$ uptime

<Paladine> 06:38:22 up 26 days, 3:34, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00

<Paladine> root@rx3000:~$ wc -l /www/logs/access.log

<Paladine> 6250 /www/logs/access.log

<cinex> do y ou use it to turn the telly over?

<Paladine> 26 days uptime on an iPAQ :)

<Paladine> no I don't have a tele, I use mythtv on my desktop :)

<Paladine> I have tv's elsewhere in the house but not in my office

<cinex> you can hack dvd players and stuff with those handhelds.

<cinex> unlock t he region and that

<Paladine> my dvd players are already region free :)

<cinex> did you have to use a programmable remote control ?

<Paladine> nope

<cinex> lucky you

<Paladine> yeah :)

<Paladine> I have a 5 disc multichanger in the lounge and a single disc machine in the bedroom

<mgdm> My £25 from Asda DVD player was unlocked in about 7 button presses

<cinex> I bought what was then a posh one. cost me like £300. its rubbish now. it plays nothing but vcds and dvds 9although finding one to play vcds was hard )

<Paladine> yeah mine were both unlockable with the standardremote that came with them

<Paladine> even my multichanger only cost me 100 quid cos it was an ex display model

<mgdm> I like it how the cheap ones you get nowadays play *anything*. CDs, DVDs, VCDs, DivX, coasters, rich teas...

<Paladine> rich teas lol

<cinex> lmao

<Paladine> sorry I had to laugh after finding a biscuit in the multichanger last week courtesy of my son

<mgdm> hehe

<mgdm> could have been worse

<mgdm> jam sandwich -> video recorder -> press play

<cinex> yeah coulda been a hob nob

<Paladine> mind you not as bad as taking 5 days to find my wallet because he decided to put it somewhere safe

<Paladine> aka the vcr

<Paladine> heis always doing stuff like that

<Paladine> we lost a bottle of milk last year

<Paladine> he decided it should go in one of the drawers in the lounge

<mgdm> hehe

<Paladine> we only found it after wondering wtf was stinking the lounge out

<mgdm> Fortunately not in the VCR :P

<Paladine> yeah hehehe

<cinex> I cant believe you have a video

<Paladine> although I don't remember the last time we actually used a vcr

<mgdm> Imagine that, sticking a video in, and a wall of stale milk p^&*ing out

<Paladine> we have 2 vcr's

<mgdm> I have 4

<mgdm> no, 3

<Paladine> as I said, I never throw stuff away

<MetatronSage> hey im just wondering if anyone has a few moments they could spare to possibly help me out with a fairly messed up partition problem?

<mgdm> for BC reasons

<Paladine> MetatronSage, just ask your question, if anyone can help they will

<cinex> Paladine: do you think you could builtd a mini computer inside the video player?

<MetatronSage> okay cool, i wasnt sure so i didnt wanna clog up the chat :)

<Paladine> cinex, anitx system? easily yeah

<Paladine> could build an itx system in a vhs cassette lol

<cinex> lol

<MetatronSage> basically i split my hda into 3 partitions, 1 for windows, and a 20gb ext3 with a 5gb swap

<MetatronSage> when i did it i got this error on install like the fats dont match or something

<Paladine> 5GB swap? thats kinda overkill

<MetatronSage> ya after reading a bit more i figured that out lol

<MetatronSage> this was my first install so ima noob

<Paladine> you running windows XP on the windows partition?

<MetatronSage> yeah

<Paladine> did you install windows and then ubuntu?

<MetatronSage> anyway the first time after i installed that i tried to run from the disk, the loading went crazy and started saying all these file values were wrong and eventually i just had to unplug my hdd's and boot from disk cuz i got cmos errors

<Paladine> rule of thumb for swap is 2x RAM

<MetatronSage> yeah windows was installed then ubuntu

<Paladine> does ubuntu boot ok?

<MetatronSage> no, well the live cd does

<MetatronSage> but from disk, no

<Paladine> you get a grub error?

<MetatronSage> it stalls out and says something like Grub loading

<MetatronSage> but it never does anything

<Paladine> !grub

<MetatronSage> ?

<Paladine> sec no bot ;)

<MetatronSage> hehe

<Paladine> oooo ubotu appears to be down

<MetatronSage> sorry got cut off

<Paladine> np trying to find the correct guide but the bot is down

<MetatronSage> thanks for the help btw, im freakin out a bit cuz i have a lot of work on my hda in the win partition i cant afford to lose, most of its backed up but not all

<MetatronSage> is there a way i can burn data off my win partition while using the live distro?

<cinex> MetatronSage: the livecd will let you back the extra stuf

<Paladine> kinda difficult to burn a cd in live cd mode unless you have 2 drives or shed loads of ram

<cinex> fflash stick

<cinex> floppy disk

<cinex> website

<cinex> yahoo briefcase

<Paladine> yeah

<MetatronSage> hrm, im a photographer so the stuff i have to back up is many gb of photo's

<MetatronSage> :/

<cinex> well ther eis always a slave disk

<Paladine> sec I will find the right guide

<Paladine> where's the damn bot

<cinex> expensive. but if its super important maybe you should think of better backup systems anyway

<MetatronSage> yeah, it crashed on me 3 days ago, i had to use some software to extract the files off it, i think ima just go buy a new one today

<MetatronSage> yeah thinking of a raid array

<cinex> you can always buy online backup packages

<cinex> where you upload your data

<Paladine> MetatronSage, try this guide first https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows

<MetatronSage> hrm, yeah i got a ftp i could upload to temporarily till i get this sorted out

<Paladine> should fix your windows problem and your grub problem at the same time hopefully

<mrben> anybody here having probnlems with restricted-manager in gutsy?

<Paladine> mrben, not since I purgedit from my system :)

<Paladine> isit cocking up your nvidia drivers?

<mrben> no

<mrben> (ati card ;) )

<mrben> it just won't start

<mrben> it gives the password prompt, and then crashes out

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<mrben> ah - it's a known bug

<mrben> https://bugs.launchpad.net/restricted-manager/+bug/132528

<Paladine> launchpadis annoying me

<Paladine> why is there not an option to list all bugs you have reported?

<cinex> Paladine: shouldn't you have your own reference ?

<Paladine> yeah if I wanna trawl through emails

<Dannilion> is there a bug number for human stupidity? :p

<mgdm> Zero.

<MetatronSage> paladine thx for the help, you too cinex, ima go try this out, ill be back if i mess up again :D

<Paladine> there shouldbe something in our user profiles to see all our bugs

<Paladine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/restricted-manager/+bug/131852

<Paladine> my opinion of LRM :)

<Paladine> MetatronSage, no problem, hope it works out for you

<Paladine> oh man I am running uber late

<Paladine> I should have left an hour ago

<Paladine> maybe just one more smoke then I have to go

<MetatronSage> hrm, paladine actually one question if i may before ya go, i had a software OS selector in place before i installed ubuntu, if i want to use that instead of grub for selecting the OS/partition i use the second option listed here?

<MetatronSage> or is that software no longer usable unless i reinstall from windows?

<Paladine> I am only guessing but I would assume it has already been overwritten

<Paladine> grub is your best bet anyway

<Paladine> cos it works :)

<MetatronSage> heh ok

<mgdm> Grub should probably be OK

<cinex> http://www.omlet.co.uk/breeds/breeds.php?breed_type=Chickens&breed=Old%20English%20Game

<Paladine> yeah hopefully using the guide I gave him it should fix his windows problem and his grub error

<Paladine> cinex, go stand in the corner and face the wall, that link was nothing like random enough for this channel ;p

<cinex> soz :(

* cinex goes to the corner

<Paladine> :)

<Paladine> count yourself lucky I didn't throw the board rubber at your head

<cinex> yeah you chuck rubber throwsers always think you cant be dodged!

<cinex> chalk

<mgdm> I read that as "chalk rubber trousers" :S

<cinex> im so bad at typing!

<Paladine> they bloody hurt if you are sat at the back ofthe room and they get enough momentum up

<cinex> I wouldnt kn ow Paladine. im just a youngun

<mgdm> Paladine: and there's the white dust explosion

<Paladine> yeah no discipline in schools nowadays ;p

<mgdm> Paladine: you should have sued them for all the particulates embedded in your lungs (not to mention the lump on your head)

<Paladine> mgdm, dude when I was in school corporal punishment was still legal lol

<constrictor> is the friendy going to be on TV today?l

*** Dannilionz is now known as Dannilion

<constrictor> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/22/simpsons_quotations/

<dgjones> constrictor, BBC1 match of the day at 7:30 if you mean england v germany

<constrictor> yes that one

<constrictor> yay

<constrictor> girlfriend is not around as well, time gentlemen and ladies is everything

<dgjones> thankfully, i've got caravan packing to do ready for tomorrow, so i've got a good excuse to miss it :)

<mgdm> dgjones: did you tell that plank to flog his boat? :)

<dgjones> mgdm, nah, he's come to an arrangement with the inland revenue so he doesn't have to cost 150 staff their job, arranged to pay 1/2 million to them at £25K/month

<mgdm> well, that's something

<dgjones> not bad when you can do that, recons he'll be making £2m profit in 12-24 months

<mgdm> sheesh

<dgjones> i haven't got confidence in his plan, he said he'd be making that sort of money 18months ago, but it didn't happen, said he'd make £400k this year, ended up making a £400k loss, i'll wait a bit longer before i make a judgement though

<cinex> isa this a client ?

<dgjones> yes,

<dgjones> does anybody use pidgin/kopete? just wondered if there's a way round the problem of them not showing status as "invisible" when its selected for a jabber/googletalk account, it works for msn & yahoo messenger

* constrictor uses pidgin

<constrictor> i'm usually always visible

<dgjones> do you use it with jabber? i was trying last night & it doesn't put you into invisible mode, just wondered if anybody else had noticed it

<constrictor> no i don't

<constrictor> sorry :(

<dgjones> i normally stay visible, but i was setting a jabber account for my wife & she noticed it

<dgjones> it works for away/busy settings

<mgdm> Perhaps Jabber doesn't support invisible? I'm not sure

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Nik Butler] The next big event I am attending - http://www.loudmouthman.com/2007/08/22/the-next-big-event-i-am-attending/

<Nafallo> sure it does

<dgjones> i think thats what the problem is

<MattJ> It does

<MattJ> But

<dgjones> but just with jabber

<dgjones> it works for msn & yahoo

<MattJ> It depends on the client

<MattJ> I can't remember, Gajim might do it

<Nafallo> it does

* Nafallo puts on his maintainer hat

<Nafallo> it does

* Nafallo takes off the hat again and contious with work

<Nafallo> +speling

<Nafallo> +spelling

<Nafallo> ;-)

<dgjones> looks like there's a mention of a problem with pidgin & icq and not showing as invisible, just looking at the developer website, there's ticket reference 466 that mentions it, but no info on how to solve it

<constrictor> i also think that pidgin does not do a very good job with nick names and such

<constrictor> when you set a nickname it's only you who sees the change whoever you're chatting with does not see the new nickname

<dgjones> i'm getting used to pidgin, i use it at work on windows, and i alternate between kopete & pidgin at home,

<constrictor> i prefer kopete

<MetatronSage> paladine you still here mate?

<Paladine> yes but don't tell anyone, if anyone asks I left an hour ago and must be stuck in traffic

<MetatronSage> lol

<MetatronSage> well i dunno what is going on, everything starts to load ok, it looks like its gunna boot up

<MetatronSage> then it does a filesystem check and stalls out

<Paladine> in windows or ubuntu?

<MetatronSage> at the exact same point every time, then i gotta hard reset, load from disk, reinstall grub

<MetatronSage> ubuntu

<Paladine> does windows load?

<MetatronSage> yeah windows loads fine after i reinstall grub

<Paladine> ok how old is your hard drive?

<MetatronSage> i might try going into windows and repartitioning my main drive, that seems to be where the problem is

<MetatronSage> my drives are like, 2 yrs old roughly

<Paladine> nah don't do that we might be able tofix this yet :)

<Paladine> you in live cd at the moment?

<MetatronSage> ya

<Paladine> k open a terminal

<MetatronSage> awrite

<MetatronSage> im pretty sure the stupid thing would boot up if i could disable the filesystem check, might not be the best thing to do but might be a workaround? i dunno you guys r the gurus :D

<Paladine> k type fdisk -l

<Paladine> that should list your partitions

<MetatronSage> it seems that the error is on hda but im running off hdb so i dont see why it matters :D

<MetatronSage> doh, forgot the sudo bit, ok what do ya wanna know?

<Paladine> just make sure you know the name of your linux partition

<Venko> 'sup everyone?

<Paladine> should be /dev/hdsomething

<Paladine> isit on hda or hdb?

<MetatronSage> well both at the moment, but im gunna take it off hda

<Paladine> were you only getting errors for hda?

<MetatronSage> yeah

<Paladine> you have windows on hdb as well?

<MetatronSage> no

<MetatronSage> hdb is only linux

<MetatronSage> i query'd ya the fdisk info

<Paladine> oh right, well if you are gonna zap linux from hda, then you shoudl be fine just dropping the partitions on hda (only the linux partitions)

<MetatronSage> can i do that from the live cd?

<Paladine> what I was going to get you to do can take several hours, so if you are going to remove ubuntu from that drive anyway it is not worth doing

<MetatronSage> yeah im lazy i like simple options :D

<Paladine> just do it in windows mate

<Paladine> you shouldbe able to do it from the administrative tools

<MetatronSage> so removing those linux partitions will disable the check filesystem of that drive on bootup?

<Paladine> the disk management option in windows

<Paladine> it will disable the check on the partitions you drop yeah

<MetatronSage> badass

<Paladine> bt if you do it in windows you know you are not going to accidentally drop your windows partition ;)

<MetatronSage> ya

<MetatronSage> hahaha

<MetatronSage> thanks a million mate, ill be back in a few mins, hopefully booted up from my drive this time

<MetatronSage> ^_^

<Paladine> no problem

<Gary> woo I'm off to Leicester tomorrow

<Gary> anyone know what traffic is like there?

<cinex> how come?

<Gary> cinex, need to go sort out one of our jobs there, they don't know how to use the printer

<Gary> ... :p

<Paladine> lol

<cinex> jeez

<Paladine> Gary, what socket is that motherboard you are sending me?

<Gary> and they cannot figure out the nice simple phone system either

<Gary> socket A

<Paladine> k

<cinex> 939?

<Paladine> no A :)

<Paladine> as in athlon xp territory :)

<cinex> your not gonna be using that chip then eh

<Paladine> notin the immediate future

<Paladine> but but but

<Paladine> hehehe

<Paladine> its a really nice cpu man

<cinex> give you a fover for it

<cinex> fiver

<Paladine> I wouldn't sell it, that goes against my morals

<Paladine> I will have a think about it

<cinex> as a whore[der]?

<Paladine> no I don't like to sell computer parts

<Paladine> if I am not using it I would rather someone else uses it

<cinex> give it me instead if you like

<Paladine> but I would give it away not sell it

<Paladine> I can't see me buying another 939 mainboard my next board will be am3

<Paladine> drop me an email with your name/address to paladine at paladine dot org dot uk

<cinex> righto

<Paladine> yo will need a hs/fan

<cinex> I can manage that

<cinex> emailed

<Paladine> k I will get it out as soon as I can but bear in mind I am disabled so I will be relying on my missus to post it

<Paladine> will hopefully be before the end of this week

<Paladine> I will get her to get her dad to put it in the bag at the sorting office

<cinex> righto

<Paladine> he works for Royal Mail in administration but hisoffice is based at the main lancashire sorting office

<cinex> where in lancashire is that?

<Paladine> so he just puts stuff straight into the right bag for me

<Paladine> Lancaster

<Paladine> he works at preston though

<cinex> ahh. im in chorley a lot of th e tmie

<cinex> my g/f's house

<cinex> GazzaK:

<GazzaK> hey

<GazzaK> connection here is poo

<Paladine> hey gazzak, I am giving away my baby so my karma is ripe for that package from you now ;)

<GazzaK> lol

<Paladine> cinex is getting my athlon64 3700 sandiego

<cinex> `/me digs the karma

* cinex digs the karma

<GazzaK> arghh conference calling on a mobile is naff

<Paladine> conference calling in general is naff

<GazzaK> yeah, but bt love it

<Venko> What's the best Blue theme for Gnome?

<Paladine> in my last consulting gig I was in conference calls every day of the damn week for about 3 hours a day

<Paladine> I used to put the phone on speaker and mute then roll a joint whilst listening to everyone rabbit on :)

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> they are gonna be asking me questions

<Paladine> 3 way conference, me, the company Iworked fro in the US and the client in paris

<Paladine> bloody boring

<Venko> I'm trying to make a nice blue Ubuntu but I can't quite get it right n___n

<Paladine> but one of the perks of telecommuting meant I could roll and smoke a joint without anyone knowing :)

<Paladine> whilst playing anarchy online in my second monitor ;)

<cinex> heh

<mgdm> Paladine: I see you're all set for becoming a student again, then

<Paladine> mgdm, no this was during my consulting job lol

<mgdm> Paladine: Yeah, all good practice though!

<Paladine> I worked from home most ofthe time since theoffice was 7500miles away and the client was about 800 miles away

<Paladine> so I generally workedinmy underwear drinking lots of coffee, smoking lots of erb and playing my mmorpg inmy second monitor whilst still being able to do my work inthe other monitor :)

<Paladine> I have multitasking down to a fine art

<Paladine> smoking all that weed was the penance I had to make for using windows

<cinex> to null the pain ?

<Paladine> no I decided it wasonly right topunish myself by smoking at least 10 joints a day

<cinex> the cancer...

<Paladine> kinda hard to use linux when you are consulting on a 100M+ USD enterprise system written in .net and requiring IE

<cinex> uyou need to switch from pimms to spliffs every 3 years or so

<cinex> to even out the damage

<Paladine> I don't drink

<mandrill> I've found a way around my gmail problem

<mandrill> I can open it in an IE tab in firefox and it works. it seems to be having problems with firefox on windows

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Kwabena Aning] Gutsy: Another way - http://www.kaning.co.uk/blog/2007/08/22/gutsy-another-way/

<Paladine> haven't touched a drop of alcohol other than with a q-tip to clean thermal grease off cpu's, for over 5 years now

<mandrill> I had three beers at the EIF last week, my first in about 3 years and got riotously drunk

<mandrill> I remembered in the morning why I stopped drinking

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<Gary> arghhh

<Venko> Has anyone here tried Gutsy?

* constrictor is using gutsy now

<Paladine> likewise

<Venko> What do you think of it over Feisty?

<constrictor> not a huge deal of difference some improvements though

<Venko> So how come you're using it over Feisty when it's not even reached a release candidate yet?

<constrictor> well i am an impatient young man full of youthful exuberance and i like to be on the bleeding edge

<Venko> XD

<Venko> I've been resisting the temptation to use it

<constrictor> well i could not

<constrictor> but i think Gutsy does things a little better

<Venko> It's due in October anyway, right?

<Venko> I can wait... sort of

<constrictor> nautilus works a lot better with thunderbird

<Venko> Ah. I don't use Thunderbird anyway so that's not a plus for me.

<constrictor> and beagle has a replacement called tracker

<constrictor> which visibly indexes a lot faster

<Venko> I don't even know what beagle is

<Venko> Ah. It's a search engine.

<constrictor> oh yes sorry It's a desktop search engine

<Venko> Tell me, where are the icon files stored?

<Venko> I can't find them

<constrictor> /usr/share/pixmaps

<constrictor> ~/.icons

<Venko> Thanks :)

<constrictor> welcome :)

<Venko> Sorry, where do I find the icon pack specific ones? I'm eager to replace the show desktop icon in a particular icon theme

<constrictor> i think if you installed it with theme manager and so on

<constrictor> it should be in /your/home/.icons

<constrictor> or so

<constrictor> let me check

<constrictor> yep that's it

<constrictor> that is of course if you installed that theme with theme manager

<mandrill> dammit got to go out

<mandrill> I had a query aswell :(

<mandrill> oh well it can wait

<Venko> Ah yes, that's how I did it. Thanks :)

<Venko> Sorry, a family member got home so I was distracted.

<Venko> Ah. Seems I didn't install it. Tangerine comes with Ubuntu

<Venko> Where would it be then? /root/.icons ? :P

<Venko> Nah, there's no .icons folder in /root

<Venko> Oh. There's in icons folder in /usr/share

<Venko> :)

<Venko> Now there's the simple task of finding it ¬_¬

<constrictor> good luck

<constrictor> what is a MOTU?

<constrictor> !MOTU

<Dannilion> according to Wikipedia, it's a catagory of Ubuntu volunteers

<Dannilion> not that that helps much

<Venko> So now I've copied it over how do I restart the service so it loads the icon?

<Venko> ctrl+shift+backspace is always a solution if I have to

<Dannilion> (Masters of the Universe, constrictor)

<Venko> It didn't work >_<

<MattJ> Paladine: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/update-on-google-video-feedback.html (it was you who blogged about it right?)

<constrictor> Venko have you tried looking for it at the wiki?

<constrictor> or even googling it

<Venko> It seemed so simple I didn't think that was necessary >_<

<Venko> I realise the stupidity in that now

<Dannilion> Anything that should be simple normally isn't. Anything that should be difficult often is simple.

<Venko> <MattJ> Paladine: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/update-on-google-video-feedback.html (it was you who blogged about it right?) <-- Holy crap. When Google says sorry they really make it up to you.

<MattJ> lol

<Dannilion> "...the case of Google Video's Download to Own/Rent Refund Policy vs. Common Sense." I like :D

<Venko> Is anyone else listening to Radio 1?

<Venko> If so then you must have just heard that trolly thing. That was awesome :D

<Dannilion> nope :(

<Stormx2> GCSE results tomorow!

<Stormx2> Anyone else getting theirs?

<Dannilion> I got mine 5 years ago

* Dannilion feels old

<willskills> wow

<willskills> Stormx2 good luck

<willskills> I'm Scottish and 25 :p

<willskills> I didn't do GCSE's ;)

<willskills> book time - going to take advantage of this sunshine! :D

<Venko> What's this new menu bar I've heard about?

<Dannilion> there's a new menu bar?

<Venko> I thought there was a new menu bar for Gnome

<Venko> SLED 10 or something

<Dannilion> ahh, okay

* Dannilion uses KDE

<Venko> Oh wait, it's SUSE

<Venko> I thought it was part of Gnome >_<

<Dannilion> bah, humbug

<Venko> Mmmm

<Venko> I'm trying to work out a way to have one taskbar for all

<Venko> As in, space-wise

<Venko> NetworkManager Applet shows two computers in the icon

<Venko> I've seen something elsewhere that shows signal strength though and I'd like it to do that. Any ideas?

<mgdm> It does that by default, on mine...?

<Venko> It doesn't for me

<mgdm> If I'm connected by wifi, that is

<Venko> http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/images/wireless-at-tealuxe.png

<Venko> That's what I want

<mgdm> if you're on a hardwired Ethernet connection, then it shows the two computers

<Venko> I'm definitely connected by WiFi. No wires :P

<mgdm> and you're definitely using the NM applet to do the connection?

<Venko> Yeah, I got it's name from right clicking and selecting "About"

<leftcase> +

<leftcase> + === The classroom ===

<leftcase> + A class of students is having a lesson in computer-science, or similar. Everyone is happy and joky, and and you can see the "Humanity to others" glowing from them. In the background, the computers are running Ubuntu (Edubuntu?). Would do this myself if I had a room full of Ubuntu-machines. MartinAhnelöv

<leftcase> Oooop sorry :-S

<mgdm> If you left-click it, do you get the signal strength of the available wifi networks?

<leftcase> accidental cut and paste :-S

<mgdm> in a list?

<Venko> No

<Venko> I get wired network (faded) with a blip next to it and "Manual Configuration..."

<mgdm> I suspect that means you're not in fact using network manager to control the connection

<Venko> Aha

<Venko> How do I go about fixing this?

<mgdm> You probably set it up using System | Administration | Network

<mgdm> am I right?

<Venko> I think I did

<Venko> Yeah, that's what it is

<Venko> It comes up through Manual Configuration... in that applet too

<Venko> How should I have done it?

<mgdm> 2 secs, and I'll remind myself

<Venko> Thanks :)

<mgdm> Basically, you need to remove all references to your network card from the file /etc/network/interfaces

<mgdm> Now, I think you can do that by unticking "Enable this connection"

<mgdm> and rebooting

<mgdm> but I am not 100% sure, I edit text files to fix all that stuff, don't often use the GUI

<Venko> Fair enough.

<Venko> I just disabled the connection through that applet and it did nothing

<Venko> I stayed connected lol.

<mgdm> so, you can do "sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces", and take things out that way, then you'll need to restart network manager

<Venko> Alright

<mgdm> if you're confident enough hacking in the terminal...

<Venko> I think I should have used gedit >_<

<Venko> Exited and no opening in gedit

<Venko> Ok so hold on

<Venko> What's that clipbox site?

<mgdm> pastebin.ubuntu.org?

<mgdm> oops

<Venko> Thanks

<mgdm> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org

<Venko> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/368

<Venko> That's what I have at the moment (I removed the wireless key :P)

<mgdm> Take out the lines "iface eth1..." and the two ones below

<mgdm> and the eth0 ones, if you want

<Venko> So leave it like this?

<Venko> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/369

<mgdm> ah, take out the "auto eth0" and "auto eth1" lines

<Venko> So I have it like that: http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/370

<Venko> Save, and how do I restart the service?

<mgdm> save it, yeah

<Venko> I figured I should ask before I do this as I'll be disconnected.

<mgdm> yeah

<mgdm> have a look in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/

<mgdm> and see if there's a network manager file there

<Stormx2> So, if I pass all my GCSEs

<Stormx2> I will have:

<mgdm> then do /etc/dbus-1/event.d/XXnetworkmanager restart

<mgdm> sorry

<Stormx2> 14 :)

<mgdm> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/XXnetworkmanager restart

<Stormx2> Plus an A level.

<Venko> 20hal 25avahi-daemon 26NetworkManagerDispatcher 22dhcdbd 25NetworkManager 70system-tools-backends

<Venko> Anything there worth looking at?

<mgdm> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart

<mgdm> should do it, I think

<Venko> Ah well, I'm going to save the file and restart then :)

<mgdm> Ok, I'll be back soon

* mgdm -> home

<Venko> o_O

<Venko> I'm still connected

<mgdm> heh

<mgdm> back later

<Venko> But the applet has vanished

<mgdm> Hmm, try a reboot, if it botches it, use the Network panel again to fix it - probably easiest

<Venko> Nothing is configured through Network in the administration though

<mgdm> Hmmm

<Venko> Alright then :)

<mgdm> back later ;)

<Venko> ciao

<cinex> question: whats the command to add a user to a group ?

<cinex> got it

<X3N> isn't it usermod -a group yourlogin

<cinex> yeah

<cinex> I always forget usermod.

<cinex> locate found it

<cinex> locate group

<Venko> Much better :)

<Venko> Thanks mgdm

<Venko> This is all starting to look pretty nice :)

<tck> anyone familiar with scriting via nautlilus ?

<tck> *scripting

<X3N> i know of them :p

<tck> well when i add a simple script to ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts folder

<tck> i should be able to right-click in nautilus and have a scripts option to choose script

<tck> but i do not

<tck> was wondering what I'm doing wrong

<X3N> made sure it's executable ?

<tck> ok let me try

<X3N> also you may need to restart nautilus

<tck> thx X3N ;)

<tck> it works

<X3N> yay

<X3N> for some reason my nautilus sendto has dissapeared

<tck> hmm check gconf-editor

<X3N> it happens system wide

<cinex> its because nautilus lifts shirts

<X3N> it's ubuntu's fault because it used to work ok

<tck> PEBKAC

<chaddy> picnic is nicer, I think

<cinex> I prefer diouble deckers

<X3N> all lies tck

<willskills> bleh

<willskills> you are all wrong

<willskills> snickers (or marathon to be precise)

<willskills> generally anything with peanuts and chocolate ;)

<Venko> :D

<Venko> Made a Radio 1 button for my panel

<Venko> Command: wxvlc http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/wm_asx/aod/radio1.asx

<cinex> and y ou call that a button ?

<cinex> other people call them shortcuts

<cinex> a button would allow you to select a channel

<X3N> and some people call the buttons

<Venko> Um

<Venko> No :P

<Venko> I made a Radio 1 icon

<Venko> It's the icon for that shortcut

<Venko> Besides, they're called "Launchers" in Gnome

<chaddy> :-D

* chaddy does s/1/2/g and gets a launcher more apt for his age group

<cinex> I wonder how hard it is to make a kde aplet

* X3N thinks twice about making a joke

<cinex> don't mind me!

<tck> http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&releaseid=R155004&SystemID=INSPIRONI6400/E1505&servicetag=&os=UBLN&osl=en&deviceid=8593&devlib=0&typecnt=0&vercnt=1&catid=-1&impid=-1&formatcnt=1&libid=20&fileid=206745

<tck> your winmodem in dell laptops can now work properly

<tck> but its a bit late, most people have dsl connections now

<tck> but still nice to have

<leftcase> tck, definately

<cinex> handy for an answermcahine perhaps

<leftcase> It's just nice to see a big company like dell making the effort

<X3N> bit late though

<tck> see how easy it was for them to make a .deb

<tck> you think they'd have done it earlier for compatibility

<leftcase> I had a bash at creating my first .deb the other day, it's a lot easier than you think

<tck> quite easy, just build from source

<leftcase> so my resolution now will be to create a deb whenever i have to build something from source :-D (if i ever keep up to it ;)

<X3N> checkinstall can pretty much do everything for you

<tck> hmm gnome-ppp doesn't detect it

<tck> i dont have the exact dell laptop they specify, but it installed fine,

<leftcase> X3N, the only thing that made the one I made a wee bit awkward for a begginer, was that the make script didn't put the config or startup files anywhere, so I had to tell the deb config file (whoes name escapes me lol) that it had to place them and where

<X3N> uh huh

<leftcase> It was worth it though, as it certainly saves time when I have to build a new box at work requiring the software

<matti> :)

<matti> I wonder. Is there a nice usenet client for X (Gnome or so?). I am starting to be tired with slrn.

<leftcase> I've never used usenet (if you forgive the pun....)

<matti> Hm.

<matti> Pan looks quite reasonable.

<leftcase> Oooh jolly good, heroes is on tonight.

<willskills> ;O

<willskills> which episode are they up to?

<matti> Heroes? Blah.

<tck> anyone know how to store a function into memory so when i close my shell i won't have to re-type it out?

<matti> I cannot wait for new episodes of IT Crowd 8)

<tck> say like, declare -F

<leftcase> The last one I saw was on BBC3 last week where Claire meets her 'biological parents'.... (after a quick refreshed from radio times lol)

<leftcase> matti, me too!

<matti> leftcase: :-)

<matti> leftcase: This Friday I recon!

<matti> ;]

<leftcase> matti, yeah it is mate

<matti> Superb.

<matti> ;]

<willskills> Heroes is good

<willskills> matti have you watched much?

<matti> tck: Put it inside your bashrc or something.

<leftcase> Have you ever seen this site http://www.reynholm.co.uk/

<matti> willskills: First season only.

<willskills> there is only one released so far

<willskills> think there are two planned for september

<willskills> or something like that

<leftcase> I'm now issuing this page http://www.reynholm.co.uk/helpdesk.php to particularly irritating people.......

<willskills> I haven't read much since I finished watching the series :)

<tck> matti, you mean as a script?

<matti> leftcase: Hahaha.

<matti> tck: Well, script... function... what's the difference? :)

<willskills> lol

<tck> matti, quite alot i thought

<willskills> leftcase - I am loving /helpdesk.php

<tck> where are the functions of the others stored in memory residing on the fs ?

<willskills> very nice ;)

<leftcase> willskills, yeah cool isn't it - I found the site at random the other day :-D

<willskills> hahahaha - yeah it's brilliant :)

<leftcase> Ah well, talking of work - it's nearly time I wasn't here so I'll bid you adieu

<tck> matti, i just stuck them in .bashrc, works for now ;)

<matti> And it should :)

<matti> tck: bashrc contains a list of commands to be executed every time you open

<willskills> ompaul :)

<matti> tck: new shell.

<matti> tck: bash_profile is executed only when you log in.

<tck> aye well i know that, i wanted to see where the others were stored

<matti> tck: There's probably quite a few in /etc/bashrc

<ompaul> eveninks

<ompaul> ohh sunny day ... summer is here for the next 48 hours enjoy it :)

<tck> its /etc/bash.bashrc on debian

<matti> :)

<matti> ompaul: Sunny? Where?

<ompaul> matti, where I am

<matti> ompaul: It is raining all day along in Cambridge :/

<ompaul> more west than the uk and more east than iceland

<matti> ompaul: Where are you?

<ompaul> .ie

<matti> Oh.

<matti> :)

<ompaul> there goes the network

* ompaul grumbles

<matti> leftcase: Hahhaa. Helpdesk r0x

<matti> ;]

<willskills> utterly

<Venko> I locked myself out of my website

<Venko> Stupid high security measures I put into place

<matti> Is there a good on-line shop with wireless stuff in UK?

<matti> I need two U.FL pigtails.

<Venko> Not that I know of.

<matti> Damn...

<matti> eBay sucks sometimes.

<Venko> I refuse to use eBay

<matti> Lot of sellers from US, but they don't want to sell over-seas.

<matti> Venko: Why?

<Venko> Because...

<Venko> I'd probably get conned

<Venko> So I just installed LAMP. How am I meant to manage it?

<Nafallo> CLI

<Venko> Isn't there a GUI? WAMP's always had one so I kinda rely on one :P

<Nafallo> no. I wouldn't think there is. nothing I've ever used anyway.

<Venko> ^_^

<Venko> Is there a LAMP guide? I'm used to using XAMPP on Windows.

<Venko> Which means I have no idea how to control it through the CLI and I can't find a reference.

<jerichokb> is there a man page you could use?

<Venko> It seems a lot of people use webmin but I'm not using a separate server machine.

<gord> Venko: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP

<Venko> Mmm. That's a great guide if I want to install LAMP but I did it through Synaptic's package so I'm assuming it's all pre-configured.

<MetatronSage> anyone feel like fielding a question from a totall linux noob? :D

<Venko> Go for it. I'm a noob too.

<MetatronSage> im just tryin to edit my ~/.mrxvtrc.

<MetatronSage> how exactly can i open it up?

<MetatronSage> :/

<bkcougar> Alt+F2 and type gedit ~/.mrxvtrc

<bkcougar> venko: you can access webmin from the same machine that the LAMP is on as well as from an external machine

<Venko> Yeah, it just seems a little illogical though.

<MetatronSage> thanks cougar :)

<bkcougar> that's ok

<Venko> also, being able to shutdown my PC through port 80 sounds a little dangerous

<bkcougar> I think you can configure it to use a different port

<bkcougar> I think it does that by default

<bkcougar> so you can set your firewall to block all external connections to that port

<bkcougar> so you can only access it from the local computer

<MetatronSage> hrm, dunno what im doin wrong here, am trying to do this http://pastebin.archlinux.org/12847 but it doesnt seem to be workin :(

<bkcougar> venko: Webmin is largely based on Perl, running as its own process and web server. It usually uses TCP port 10000 for communicating, and can be configured to use SSL if OpenSSL is installed.

<bkcougar> from wiki

<bkcougar> looks like you can lock it down as much as you want

<Venko> Aha

<Venko> Well I have an old machine upstairs that I'm thinking I'll use as a CLI-system

<Venko> So I'm going to set that up now.

<bkcougar> MetatronSage: you didn't copy the line numbers did you?

<MetatronSage> no

<MetatronSage> of course not :D

<MetatronSage> all i did was take the code there (minus the line numbers of course, paste with gedit into the ~/.mrxvtrc. file and then ran mrxvt

<bkcougar> :)

<bkcougar> checking if it works on mine

<bkcougar> did you install mrxvt from the reps?

<MetatronSage> sorry reps?

<bkcougar> did you use synaptic, apt-get or aptitude to install?

<MetatronSage> not sure to be honest, is there a way i can check my terminal log?

<MetatronSage> i closed the term i did it in

<Pricey> argh i look away and what happens

<bkcougar> try "mrxvt -name KitchenSink"

<MetatronSage> hrm, nada

<bkcougar> do you get anything up?

<MetatronSage> well no changes i mean, its not opening the 3 tabs or changing the look of the app at all

<MetatronSage> but yeah it opened

<bkcougar> did you replace everything in .mrxvtrc with the code?

<MetatronSage> ya

<MetatronSage> did select all before i pasted

<bkcougar> hmmm

<MetatronSage> ya funky eh?

<bkcougar> it works on mine

<MetatronSage> what version of mrxvt are ya running?

<MetatronSage> it may be that the installed version is a later version then the code is written for?

<bkcougar> 0.5.2

<MetatronSage> same here

<bkcougar> if you just run mrxvt you won't get any changes

<bkcougar> you have to do the -name KitchenSink

<MetatronSage> yeah i did

<bkcougar> what window manager are you using (gnome/kde etc)

<MetatronSage> gnome

<MetatronSage> think gnome is overriding it or something?

<bkcougar> same here

<bkcougar> not sure

<MetatronSage> im thinking of switching to xfce

<tck> peeps i have a question, it's a mystery to me

<tck> ok, i think i may have to run fsck, i will see

<bkcougar> try mrxvt and then once it's up pres Ctrl+Shift+n

<bkcougar> tck: shoot

<tck> but the other day i was sticking 7.04 on an IBM thinkpad x20

<tck> nice little lappy, slow but ubuntu seems to run ok on it

<tck> now it was for the g/f's friends

<tck> so they bough this belkin n1 wireless usb adaptor

<MetatronSage> just opened another tab bkc, nothin else :)

<bkcougar> any fancy stuff at the bottom?

<MetatronSage> newp

<tck> quite nice, and when plugged in, the light appears and i connected to my wpa2 network

<tck> THEN, there was no battery left in the lappy and it shutoff as it does

<tck> i had to go out so i'd charge it later

<tck> now when i put back in the usb adaptor, the light does not come on

<tck> any ideas?

<tck> shutting down like that did something to it, it worked again on a diff. windows system with drivers (light turns on etc..)

<tck> im think now i should maybe run a fsck on the fs ?

<tck> see if it messed some things up?

<MetatronSage> probably, ima noob but it seems linux really doesnt like being shut down in that way

<tck> MetatronSage, yeah it didnt even shutdown it turned off completely

<tck> it was drained pretty much

<MetatronSage> every time iv done a hard reset to my ubuntu i've had to either reinstall or install grub again or fsck

<tck> wow, re-install grub?

<tck> that's nasty

<MetatronSage> so i guess try those options first, if its not that maybe the usb port failed?

<tck> i think so, that was my impression

<tck> but then the usb adapter didn't work in my laptop then either

<tck> well the light did not turn on

<bkcougar> tck: the light being on the usb adaptor?

<tck> yes

<tck> so it's bizarre

<tck> and i tried it on a windows laptop and nothing

<tck> now my girl tells me that up in their house, (which the light worked before)

<tck> then didnt after i had it

<tck> now it works again when they got drivers on the system (windows)

<tck> following me?

<bkcougar> so the adaptor doesn't work on a windows laptop now?

<tck> so why it worked on their windows system and not the one i had (using official drivers frmo belkin site) is beyond me

<tck> it does work on a windows system

<tck> yes

<bkcougar> o

<tck> i have yet to check it on the windows system that i have hear (which didn't have the power outage)

<tck> so im wondering, is it the usb adaptor messing up ?

<tck> as you can see, my head was quite messed up over this, i wanted to make it work, and it did but not since the powerdown

<MetatronSage> really have no idea tck, i only installed linux first time today :(

<tck> lol..

<tck> okkkk

<Venko> I've decided to christen my laptop. Any ideas for a suitable name?

<tck> jebus

<Nafallo> satan

* Nafallo hides

<MetatronSage> genine gerafallo

<Venko> I failed to mention that she's female.

<leftcase> Venko, You could always choose star trek characters if you want to be uber geeky....

<Nafallo> satan is female :-)

<MetatronSage> if ur gunna smash a bottle of champagne over it i recommend krystahl, laptops dont like moet

<tck> eve

<tck> ;)

<Venko> I don't want to choose Star Trek characters.

<Venko> I want to have a more unique laptop :P

<leftcase> Venko, greek mythology ?

<Venko> I named my server "goldfish"

<Venko> I could use Esperanto or something

<leftcase> periodic table

<Venko> Not many people do, my alias proves that

<leftcase> that's how i name servers - hydrogen, helium etc etc etc

<Venko> :P

<Venko> I can install SSH on my server with: sudo apt-get install ssh

<Venko> But here's the conundrum. How do I start it without a monitor?

<Venko> I can't plug a monitor into my server machine to start it everytime I boot the machine.

<leftcase> Venko, what do you mean mate?

<leftcase> Venko, you wouldn't have to

<Venko> Well it's a program, right?

<Venko> I have to login to Ubuntu and then type ssh or something

<leftcase> Venko, ssh server starts automagically

<leftcase> ;-)

<Venko> I love you so much, leftcase

<Venko> Thanks ;)

<leftcase> lol np

<MetatronSage> hrm, this is doing my nut in, no idea why this stupid terminal client wont modify :(

<leftcase> Venko, have a look at http://www.pantheon.org/ it has loads of different ancient mythology stuff - choose a character which has the same chracteristics as your laptop ;-)

<Venko> Thanks :)

<Venko> There's something else that's been bothering me. When I run my laptop off of batteries it lowers the screen brightness (which I change back). However when it did this with WinXP it also used to lower the CPU power. There's no option to modify that in Ubuntu and I'm wondering if it is lowering when I'm on battery.

<tck> name them after simpsons characters

<leftcase> are you using gnome - ubuntu

<tck> Venko, its in your bios settings

<leftcase> tck, i once called a server frink ;-)

<Venko> It is?

<tck> gotta set default brightness

<tck> aye

<Venko> I'll have a look that when I boot down then.

<tck> you can try, Fn + Page up / down

<Venko> Doesn't seem to do anything. Like I said I can change the brightness but the keys are marked as volume in blue.

<tck> or even arrow keys, whichever has the light symbol on them

<tck> sorry i meant to say arrow

<Venko> Uh, as brightness. I can do volume too.

<leftcase> for cpu frequency scaling, right click on the panel at the top of your screen, select cpu frequency applet - it shows you the current cpu freq

<Venko> But there's nothing for CPU

<tck> yeah page up/down does volume

<Venko> Ah alright. Thanks

<Venko> It's max when on battery.

<Venko> Just checked :)

<Venko> But I'll fix the brightness in my BIOS ASAP

<leftcase> Venko, I just remembered - I wrote this article a bit ago http://www.justuber.com/blog/2007/07/23/cpu-frequency-scaling-in-ubuntu/ it *might* help you with your cpu probs

<Venko> Thanks

<Venko> I'll read through it once I have this server fixed up

* Nafallo has always had things like that "just work"

<leftcase> It's one thing I like about linux - theres always something to learn

<leftcase> Nafallo, lucky ;-)

<Nafallo> or at least since I reported which CPU I had to mjg59 IIRC

<Nafallo> leftcase: there is no luck involved. plain knowledge.

* Nafallo ponders if he's stupid

<Venko> I did something wrong during the installation of Ubuntu so it didn't offer the LAMP installation option.

<Venko> Then I couldn't get sudo taskel to work

<gord> i just follow a simple rule, before buying any hardware i read what other linux fellows experiances are with it. that way you end up with a nice 100% free software working nicely computer

<Venko> And thought Oh crap

<Venko> Then I found out it's tasksel

<Venko> That's what I'm going to do when I build my desktop, gord

<leftcase> Until recently I always used the latest release of ubuntu on my laptop, I switched to Dapper a couple of weeks ago and haven't looked back. Much more pleseant experience

* Nafallo runs gutsy

<sheldy> hi ompaul (selinuxium in hiding)

<Venko> I'm running Feisty on my laptop and I find it a lot better than previous releases. I didn't think much of 6.06 so I stuck with WinXP then.

<ompaul> sheldy, hiya

<Venko> I'm looking forward to Gutsy though. It's like an early Christmas present :P

<sheldy> trying to sort out a wireless pci, i can see it in lspci but not in ifconfig. any ideas?

<leftcase> I'm finding feisty/gutsy good for playing with, but dapper better for working with

* Nafallo is looking forward to Horny

<Venko> :P

<Venko> So I just installed SSH on this machine.

<Venko> Do I need to do anything else or can I unplug the monitor now?

<leftcase> Venko, just try it first -

<leftcase> then do a reboot, make sure it's ok after that, then unplug the monitor

<Venko> Alright :)

<mad_goldfish> I've broken my external hard drive :-(

<ompaul> sheldy, is it on supported list?

<sheldy> ompaul: no idea! :)

<ubuntuuk-planet> [Mark Harrison] How well do you know your parents? - http://markharrison.wordpress.com/2007/08/22/how-well-do-you-know-your-parents/

<Venko> It works fine now.

<Venko> How do I restart a machine through the CLI?

<leftcase> sudo reboot

<Venko> :D

<ompaul> !wireless | sheldy (foo to you ;-)

<ubotu> sheldy (foo to you ;-): Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs

<sheldy> ompaul: I can see it needs another driver... I should google before, Doh!

<Venko> It's nice watching a machine boot down in front of you that you controlled from your machine

<Venko> Makes you feel powerful

<leftcase> Venko, you feel that? It's power - Soon you'll be doing matrix type hacking bringing down power grids and stuff :-P

<Venko> Also lets you know that you left the installer CD in >_>

<leftcase> hehe

<X3N> hmm my /dev/dsp seems to be busy, but there doesn't seem to be any applications using it

<sheldy> Cheers ompaul, how are things in the Emerald isle?

<Venko> I need to make a script that takes control of all the college computers, formats the Windows partitions and installs Linux on every machine on the network now >_>

<Venko> Only about 500 PCs

<leftcase> Venko, If I could do that, I wouldn't have a job anymore ;-)

<ompaul> sheldy, gime 15

<sheldy> ompaul: np

<Venko> It can't be that hard

<Venko> Anyhow, the machine works fine so I'm removing the monitor.

<X3N> sounds logical

<X3N> who needs to *see* things anyway ?

<leftcase> Well, I imagine you'd have to create an active directory group policy to invoke a login script that drags down ubuntu or something.

<leftcase> You Windows sysadmin might be a bit peeved though

<sheldy> Venko: http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Hacking+the+Ubuntu+Installation/207783_5.aspx read installing over the network

<Venko> Aha. Thanks sheldy

<sheldy> no probs :)

<ompaul> .aspx and it talks about ubuntu

<ompaul> no taste

<ompaul> :)

<sheldy> :)

<X3N> it could be mono based

<X3N> check the 404 or something ;)

<X3N> ok, yeah it's a windoze

<ompaul> sheldy, you got a pm

<sheldy> nope, one mo. i will log in

*** sheldy is now known as selinuxium

<selinuxium> ompaul: have now!

<ompaul> :-)

<Venko> w3m is awesome XD

<Venko> I just searched for "cheese" in Google with it

<ompaul> 3G operators have put us back 15 years - we got to learn AT command sets again

<Venko> Is SSH encrypted?

<leftcase> Venko, yeah

<Venko> It uses port 22 and that isn't blocked at my college so I could access this through college.

<Venko> Putty works for SSH, right?

<leftcase> yup

<Venko> With a little work around I can run that on the WinXP machines they use.

<Venko> We've already found a few exploits.

<leftcase> yeah, i do at work - i've got ssh running on port 443, as there is only ports 80 and 443 open at work

<Venko> I think I need a new USB stick for college. I managed to drop my previous one in a bowl of milk.

<Venko> It seemed to work alright at first but I get I/O errors now :(

<Venko> leftcase

<Venko> How do you keep track of your IP address? Or is it static?

<Venko> Because I'm thinking I need a script that e-mails me everytime my IP changes (or just periodically)

<ormiret> Venko: have a look at dyndns

<Venko> dyndns is port 80, isn't it?

<Venko> I'm after something for port 22

<ompaul> Venko, it allows you track the IP

<mgdm> DynDns isn't specific to either protocol

<mgdm> It's a DNS thing, a bit lower level

<mgdm> Venko: how's your Network Manager?

<Venko> It works fine now :)

<Venko> VLC keeps crashing for some reason.

<Venko> :)

<mgdm> Venko: Glad I didn't break it ;)

<Venko> ^_^

<MetatronSage> anyone feel like giving me a hand with my first theme install? :)

<MetatronSage> im just not sure exactly where to place what in ubuntu and with gnome

<X3N> drag and drop it into the theme prefferences box

<MetatronSage> thats it?

<X3N> yup

<MetatronSage> wow nifty :)

<MetatronSage> hrm, not workin, what file format should i be draggin and droppin?

<X3N> .tar.gz or .tar.bz2

<X3N> what is the file name ?

<MetatronSage> oh gheez i went and extracted it

<X3N> ahh

<X3N> you're doing more than you need :)

<MetatronSage> yup i see :D

<MetatronSage> that did it lol

<MetatronSage> now i just gotta fix my forms.css so firefox can actually display text with a black bg :P

<X3N> heheh

<MetatronSage> im lovin linux, having far less problems then i thought i would, and everyone is so helpful, big difference in community

<X3N> cool :)

<mgdm> Good to hear!

<Venko> mmm

<Venko> leftcase, DynDNS works and all but

<dgib> gord, you around mate?

<Venko> SSH refuses connections when I try ssh mydyndns domain but not when I use the IP

<gord> yup

<dgib> cool, will said you had your ati card running nicely

<dgib> with the ati driver

<Venko> Is that some DynDNS feature that I need to disable or something?

<dgib> do I just reconfig x?

<dgib> and choose the ati driver?

<mgdm> Venko: What IP are you using?

<Venko> My internet one

<Venko> It works with the local IP and the internet one (already set up the router for that)

<X3N> why do people feel the need to make videos of picture transitions of their favorite idol to music and then upload them

<gord> dgib: make sure you remove the ati binary driver dgib and set Driver "fglrx" in xorg.conf to Driver "ati"

<gord> and then restart x

<X3N> to you tube

<dgib> ok

<dgib> just remove it through add/remove?

<mgdm> Venko: in a terminal, do "dig +short your.dyndns.org" (replacing the domain with your dyndns address)

<mgdm> and see if it matches your internet IP

<gord> or the restircited drivers manager or whatever

<dgib> ok

<Venko> It does.

<Venko> The message I get when trying to access is:

<Venko> sol@domain.name's password:

<Venko> Permission denied, please try again.

<mgdm> weird

<mgdm> but sol@yourinternetip works?

<Venko> Yep

<Venko> Wait

<Venko> That's a point

<Venko> it's not sol@my domain

<Venko> I'm such an idiot XD

<Venko> ssh domain.name is the mistake

<mgdm> ah

<Venko> it should be ssh username@domain.name

<mgdm> yeah

<Venko> I didn't realise because it assumed my username must be Sol

<Venko> Sol's my old alias and my username on the laptop

<Venko> That works then :)

<mgdm> \o/

<Venko> Sorry for wasting your time

<MetatronSage> does chmod work on folders as well?

<X3N> yes

<X3N> as does right clicking -> properties ;)

<MetatronSage> hrm, im doing somethin wrong then

<Venko> What client do you recommend, leftcase?

<X3N> what are you trying to do MetatronSage ?

<MetatronSage> im trying to put a new forms.css in the res dir of firefox

<MetatronSage> but its saying im not the owner and cannot change permissions

<MetatronSage> this having to type sudo to do anything is annoying :D

<X3N> is there a guide or something you're working from ?

<MetatronSage> yeah kinda, really its quite simple what im trying to do im just a noob and botching it up :D

<mgdm> Venko: You didn't, don't worry :)

<X3N> i suspect you'll want to do "sudo cp form.css /usr/share/firefox/res/forms.css"

<X3N> though you might want to backup your current forms.css

<MetatronSage> yeah i got it, already backed up the current one

<X3N> does it just make the forms look nicer

<MetatronSage> but is there a way to make it so im recognized at the su and dont have to type sudo for anything su

<X3N> nope, it's a security feature

<MetatronSage> sec ill query ya x3n

<X3N> unless you want to create a root account, which is highly frowned apoun

<X3N> you have to be signed in to nickserv to do query's on freenode irc

<dgib> gord, nice, compiz works now, do you use bigdesktop? or do you have a suggestion for setting up my two monitors? :)#

<X3N> (incase you've sent me a query)

<MetatronSage> ah

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<Calix> you not signed in x3n?

<gord> im not sure dgib, i only have one monitor. try looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo#head-6c43a6c6a8bdd7dde954c4c8bb3d8ed7b3a77f7b

<X3N> i am

<X3N> compiz doesn't support multi monitor in stable yet

<dgib> gord, that looks like it's using the radeon driver, hmm, I'll have a read

<X3N> it depends on the randr X extension which isn't supported by xinerama

<dgib> thanks for your help :)

<gord> you are using the radeon driver dgib :)

<gord> ati just kind of selects the right driver for you, either r128, radeon or i think there are a few others

<dgib> oh right

<dgib> :)

* X3N has dual monitor if you need any more help dgib

<dgib> ok X3N, best to muddle through and learn :P

<dgib> can help other ppl that way

<X3N> yep

<gord> the only worries i have is with duel monitors and compiz, there are two different ways to handle two monitors with the radeon drivers iirc and i think one of them disables 3d acceleration on one of the monitors

<dgib> thats ok

<X3N> be weary of the fglrx driver though, it's mostly on crack

<dgib> yes, I saw that

<gord> booo fglrx, yay free software drivers

<Venko> Ok, this is WEIRD

<Venko> When I disable sound in ZSNES it still outputs it

<Venko> So I tried running it with -dd (disables sound) and that doesn't work either

<Venko> I can't get it to stop outputting the sound and I can't turn the sound off because I'm listening to Radio 1 on VLC

<dgib> hmm no luck

<dgib> X3N, hehe, how did you do yours? ;D

<dgib> or can you pastebin your xorg.conf?

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